rogera Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 We are out as we will be on our bi annual migration back to Florida. Planned on spending the weekend with you guys but since we will have the cat with us the hotel will not let us stay. This would have been perfect for us as we were on our way down there anyway. We will wave as we drive by. Sorry to hear that. Maybe you all can make it in the spring, also. BTW: What name are you guys on the list? that would be Kate and Ken Deline Link to comment
Fivestar13 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Thanks, Chris. Below is a link to a video I put together back in 2011 during UnRally X, riding out just west of of Little Switzerland. Despite the poor video quality (well prior to my getting a GoPro), it clearly shows the wonderful roads easily reachable from Maggie Valley. Clicky for video Great video Craig. Amazing how much more resolution your GoPro brings out now. That said the resolution does not diminish how great the ride is as captured by you 3 years ago. Reminds me how awesome this part of Appalachian is in the WNC&ETN area. So many great rides, so little time! Much like a trip to Disneyland has some great rides, some better than others. Though it is likely that you cannot and will not ride them all during your limited time there. I recognized much of the riding in your video. Though I am sure there was a gem of a road hidden in the footage yet for me to discover. No doubt that is the stuff that keeps us coming back for more! Link to comment
ltljohn Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Thanks, Chris. Below is a link to a video I put together back in 2011 during UnRally X, riding out just west of of Little Switzerland. Despite the poor video quality (well prior to my getting a GoPro), it clearly shows the wonderful roads easily reachable from Maggie Valley. Clicky for video Great video Craig. Amazing how much more resolution your GoPro brings out now. That said the resolution does not diminish how great the ride is as captured by you 3 years ago. Reminds me how awesome this part of Appalachian is in the WNC&ETN area. So many great rides, so little time! Much like a trip to Disneyland has some great rides, some better than others. Though it is likely that you cannot and will not ride them all during your limited time there. I recognized much of the riding in your video. Though I am sure there was a gem of a road hidden in the footage yet for me to discover. No doubt that is the stuff that keeps us coming back for more! Just be careful following those guys, I seem to remember having to negotiate freshly graveled switchbacks on my RT a few years ago. Link to comment
TyTass Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 We are out as we will be on our bi annual migration back to Florida. Planned on spending the weekend with you guys but since we will have the cat with us the hotel will not let us stay. This would have been perfect for us as we were on our way down there anyway. We will wave as we drive by. Sorry to hear that. Maybe you all can make it in the spring, also. BTW: What name are you guys on the list? that would be Kate and Ken Deline Thanks, Rog. I thought it might be them, considering there can't be too many folk who are part of the BMWST crowd migrating back a forth between IL & FL. What confused me is the profile name. I thought both Kate and Ken had profiles. Is that Kate's profile? Kate & Ken ... We'll look forward to seeing you guys in the Spring, then. Link to comment
TyTass Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 Thanks, Chris. Below is a link to a video I put together back in 2011 during UnRally X, riding out just west of of Little Switzerland. Despite the poor video quality (well prior to my getting a GoPro), it clearly shows the wonderful roads easily reachable from Maggie Valley. Clicky for video Great video Craig. Amazing how much more resolution your GoPro brings out now. That said the resolution does not diminish how great the ride is as captured by you 3 years ago. Reminds me how awesome this part of Appalachian is in the WNC&ETN area. So many great rides, so little time! Much like a trip to Disneyland has some great rides, some better than others. Though it is likely that you cannot and will not ride them all during your limited time there. I recognized much of the riding in your video. Though I am sure there was a gem of a road hidden in the footage yet for me to discover. No doubt that is the stuff that keeps us coming back for more! Just be careful following those guys, I seem to remember having to negotiate freshly graveled switchbacks on my RT a few years ago. I hear ya John. Good point. Gravel is just sort of a constant threat in the mountains, especially after a fresh rain shower. Folks should always be prepared to "pick a lane" and ride in the inner or outer car tire tracks (where gravel is much reduced by passing car) rather than to ride their hoped-for line. That said, gravel is always worse in the spring when there are generally more downpours and there has been less traffic to throw it off the road. Unless there's a lot of storms in the fall in WNC, the roads are most often clear (unlike WV where gravel is indeed a constant due to the construction material of shoulders there). As you well know, it's much worse in WV. Link to comment
Fivestar13 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 ^^^^ yup graveled switchbacks and graveled roadways are a common feature, especially on US 226A up toward Little Switzerland (Diamondback) and parts of NC 80 (Devil's Whip) coming down from there. Among other notables/named roads is NC 209 (the Rattler); graveled stuff there too. Remember for roads where people live, they have driveways. Most likely those driveways are gravel. So gravel cross contaminates the roadways. Roads without those driveways seem to be less graveled. Pre-running each road at a less spirited pace is a good practice before getting on it. YMMV. Link to comment
TyTass Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 Chris, Here's another video I took this past spring ... that shows NC-209, TN-352, US19W, Paint Fork Rd. and finishes up with a flashback of NC-212 (the rest were in order). There was lots of gravel, particularly on Paint Fork, and the more back roads. What the video doesn't show is me using the other lane a couple times (with visibility of course) to avoid some really deep piles, and me going through a few with the telltale shimmy in the video. Of course, I didn't include them in the produced version of the video. I've looked at them a few times to see what lessons could be drawn from them. Your suggestion is a good one ... as is suspecting deep gravel, rocks, and stones on sharp right handers that disappear around really short, dirt/rock-exposed hills. I found little to no debris on the taller cliff faces (doesn't mean it won't be there, just that statistically I happened upon more with smaller hills). Link to comment
S.O.B. Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 The previous video looks familiar! Link to comment
TyTass Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 The previous video looks familiar! It should, Dan. That was great friends riding on a phenomenal ride, during fabulous gathering (UN X), and all in wonderful weather. Link to comment
Fivestar13 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Chris, Here's another video I took this past spring ... that shows NC-209, TN-352, US19W, Paint Fork Rd. and finishes up with a flashback of NC-212 (the rest were in order). I've looked at them a few times to see what lessons could be drawn from them. Your suggestion is a good one ... as is suspecting deep gravel, rocks, and stones on sharp right handers that disappear around really short, dirt/rock-exposed hills. I found little to no debris on the taller cliff faces (doesn't mean it won't be there, just that statistically I happened upon more with smaller hills). Craig, awesome video. Tastefully done with music. Good music. Gets you Amp'd for a ride! I think your observations for where gravely situations develop are spot on. Principles of the fall-line in effect. Link to comment
papnan2 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 As it turns out I won't be able to make it to FART this time around. So there is a room that just opened up for some lucky person Link to comment
TyTass Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 Sorry to hear that, Steve. Link to comment
Kinsley Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 We're a month away , so here are two links to the routes for FART 2014 in Maggie Valley. They contain the same information, but in GDB and GPX formats. Some people only get computer code with one or the other, so I loaded both. A note about receiving routes from others. Your maps and preferences may be different than those of the person you received them from, so to be sure you ride the intended route. You must do the following. Open the GDB or GPX file in your software, then make duplicates of each route (usually a right click will show the option). Change the color of the Duplicate route (usually double click, then go to “Info” and look there) Note the mileage, then Re-calculate the Original route. The mileage should stay the same. If the route mileage is different, look for the color you changed the Duplicate route to. You will need to add a Waypoint or Via point to the Original route to make it match the Duplicate route. Once the two routes are the same, delete the Duplicate route, then load the Original route onto your GPS. FART 2014 GDB FART 2014 GPX Link to comment
Bernie Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Thank you Ken, the count down has started. Link to comment
Computerbob Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 A note about receiving routes from others. Your maps and preferences may be different than those of the person you received them from, so to be sure you ride the intended route. You must do the following. You MUST do this. This is what happens when you don't follow those steps properly: This was when we decided to turn around, so I hopped off and snapped a picture real quick. I had been following one of Ken's routes, but it obviously went a little off course. Then, for the rest of your life, your wife will remind you of the time that you "forced" her to follow you into the woods. You DO NOT want to do that. Link to comment
Bernie Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 A note about receiving routes from others. Your maps and preferences may be different than those of the person you received them from, so to be sure you ride the intended route. You must do the following. You MUST do this. This is what happens when you don't follow those steps properly: This was when we decided to turn around, so I hopped off and snapped a picture real quick. I had been following one of Ken's routes, but it obviously went a little off course. Then, for the rest of your life, your wife will remind you of the time that you "forced" her to follow you into the woods. You DO NOT want to do that. Or, like in my case, after you send your Brother-In-Law a route and he ended up in a pasture surrounded by cows, after crossing several streams. He will never let me live this down, as he thought I tried to get him killed by hungry cows and blood thirsty rednecks. Link to comment
lawnchairboy Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 In out in out... Out. Relocation tasks abound. Sorry to miss my friends. Chris Link to comment
terryofperry Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 "Or, like in my case, after you send your Brother-In-Law a route and he ended up in a pasture surrounded by cows, after crossing several streams. He will never let me live this down, as he thought I tried to get him killed by hungry cows and blood thirsty rednecks. rofl rofl rofl " One never knows Bernie, with Ken it can be a normal route. Terry Link to comment
Kinsley Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 One never knows Bernie, with Ken it can be a normal route. Terry Yes, but only for the people I really like I'll have to add a Waypoint in those special locations...somthing like "Ha Ha Gotcha" Link to comment
Lone_RT_rider Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 One never knows Bernie, with Ken it can be a normal route. Terry Yes, but only for the people I really like I'll have to add a Waypoint in those special locations...somthing like "Ha Ha Gotcha" Yes, and for extra special friends he will send you to the same "Gotcha" spot twice. lol Link to comment
TyTass Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 In out in out... Out. Relocation tasks abound. Sorry to miss my friends. Chris This moving crap keeps getting in the way of our farewell ride! Bummer! Link to comment
TyTass Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 New Prospective Attendee List (i.e., The FART List) We are 30 days out. Please note the 15-Day Cancellation Policy of the hotel. Also, we have several people who will be new to BMWST SE Ride Events. This pretty much goes without saying, but let's make sure we all welcome them and aren't left in the parking lot in the mornings wondering where everyone went. Link to comment
TyTass Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 A note about receiving routes from others. Your maps and preferences may be different than those of the person you received them from, so to be sure you ride the intended route. You must do the following. You MUST do this. This is what happens when you don't follow those steps properly: This was when we decided to turn around, so I hopped off and snapped a picture real quick. I had been following one of Ken's routes, but it obviously went a little off course. Then, for the rest of your life, your wife will remind you of the time that you "forced" her to follow you into the woods. You DO NOT want to do that. I fail to understand the problem here. Link to comment
Lone_RT_rider Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Chris, Here's another video I took this past spring ... that shows NC-209, TN-352, US19W, Paint Fork Rd. and finishes up with a flashback of NC-212 (the rest were in order). Craig, Either you sped up the video (which I doubt) or your skills have greatly improved since I rode with you back at RCR. I'm not sure I would be able to keep up anymore. Matt had told me you had really stepped it up. Awesome vid my friend. Link to comment
Lone_RT_rider Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I fail to understand the problem here. Of course you don't. You now ride a GS. Because of this, excess dirt and mud from actually following Ken's "Street routes" has been compressed into your ears therefore inducing increased pressure on your brain. This in effect reduces your powers of reasoning. Link to comment
Foot Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I'm not sure I would be able to keep up anymore. Sandbagger Link to comment
Kinsley Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 One never knows Bernie, with Ken it can be a normal route. Terry Yes, but only for the people I really like I'll have to add a Waypoint in those special locations...somthing like "Ha Ha Gotcha" Yes, and for extra special friends he will send you to the same "Gotcha" spot twice. lol I tried to get you to do it a 3rd time, but you were on to me by then Link to comment
TyTass Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 Craig, Either you sped up the video (which I doubt) or your skills have greatly improved since I rode with you back at RCR. I'm not sure I would be able to keep up anymore. Matt had told me you had really stepped it up. Awesome vid my friend. Nah, I didnt speed up the video (which leaves telltale patterns in a video). While I can acknowledge that I have improved my skill set, I would bet the two biggest factor in this video looking so fast are: 1) the default setting of the GoPro is 170° wide angle, and 2) I have the camera mounted just to the right of the beak (much closer to the road than where many people mount their GoPros ... results in a faster feel). That said, during that trip I was "feeling" all kind of fast ... until I let Matt & Alan lead and then I had to keep up to those sandbaggers! Believe me ... when we ride together next, youll still be waiting for me at the next turn. Link to comment
TyTass Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 I fail to understand the problem here. Of course you don't. You now ride a GS. Because of this, excess dirt and mud from actually following Ken's "Street routes" has been compressed into your ears therefore inducing increased pressure on your brain. This in effect reduces your powers of reasoning. Perhaps, just perhaps I have dirt in my ears affecting my brain ... but I don't believe it has anything to do with my owning a GS ADV now. While scouting for RCR and just riding in general in WV, I did quite a few miles on dirt & gravel on my '04 RT. When I sold it, the belly pan was predominately black (tupperware natural color) with a few stubborn patches off Biaritz Blue and primer grey remaining. And I did little off-road scouting compared to what Keith (OoPEZoO) had done for RCR. For some reason, all the routes he scouted seemed to head to gravel, dirt, and water ... cresting mountains and fording rivers. I don't know how he ended up those routes but Keith and his old RT handled it with aplomb. And there's nothing wrong with Keith so ... come one ... join in on the fun! Take your RT off-road! Link to comment
Lone_RT_rider Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 come one ... join in on the fun! Take your RT off-road! No....Not just no, but HELL no. Link to comment
Bernie Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 come one ... join in on the fun! Take your RT off-road! No....Not just no, but HELL no. Lol Link to comment
Glenn Reed Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 come one ... join in on the fun! Take your RT off-road! You mean like This? or this - Hi Shawn! Link to comment
OoPEZoO Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 More like this Glenn That progressed to the point that the trail was not as wide as my handle bars, and I ended up with the choice of fording an almost knee deep creek or turning around. I don't like turning around. It was also pouring down rain. Not exactly a smart decision, but I made it through without too much trouble. The worst of it was getting a loaded RT up the muddy bank on the other side with street tires spinning like I was at a burnout competition. That was the first time I had the RT offroad, but certainly not the last. Ahhh.....the good old days. Hence the move to a GS this time. Its much more fitting for the trouble I like to get myself into Link to comment
Glenn Reed Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 There you go Keith! I don't think I ever saw your RT, so it's good to know it was a versatile machine! Mine has seen a bit of gravel, but dirt like that? Not so much... Link to comment
TyTass Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 Keith, Is that the trail you hit in VA on the way to the 1st or 2nd BRR in Maggie Valley? Link to comment
TyTass Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 PS. It'd be great to see you in Maggie Valley in 30 days from now. Its been too long. Link to comment
OoPEZoO Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Yup......I believe that was on the way to the BRR in the fall of '07. We all showed up soaked to the bone on that trip. I'll never forget Mrs. Knifemaker crawling out of the Harley sidecar that evening. I'll bet there was a good 2" of water in the bottom of it sloshing around. As far as showing up in Maggie Valley next month........I'm doing what I can. I could really use a few days on the road to get my head screwed on straight. Link to comment
Fathom Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Here here -- some of us haven't even met you yet, and I'm in desperate need of some advice about spooning some knobbies onto my RT! Link to comment
Lone_RT_rider Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 There you go Keith! I don't think I ever saw your RT, so it's good to know it was a versatile machine! Mine has seen a bit of gravel, but dirt like that? Not so much... Look! An RT in it's native environment! I believe that was on the way to the BRR in the fall of '07 The first BRR was Spring of 2008. Link to comment
OoPEZoO Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 The first BRR was Spring of 2008. Yup, you are correct. My mistake. I checked the pics and it was the fall of 2008. A handful of us showed up on Wednesday in a torrential downpour (the Knifemakers, David, Rich, and Mitch). The following day was an awesome day for riding. A few leaves on the road, but no traffic anywhere. I spent the whole day playing cat and mouse with this guy Hell of a good time. Damn, I miss NC Link to comment
TyTass Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 I could really use a few days on the road to get my head screwed on straight (for the first time, that is.). Fixed it for you. Link to comment
greiffster Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 We're a month away , so here are two links to the routes for FART 2014 in Maggie Valley. They contain the same information, but in GDB and GPX formats. Some people only get computer code with one or the other, so I loaded both. FART 2014 GDB FART 2014 GPX Ken, Nice job again with the routes. They look fantastic. As anyone that messes around in Basecamp knows, it takes a lot of time/effort to put it together correctly. Its appreciated for sure. Link to comment
TyTass Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share Posted September 4, 2014 The first BRR was Spring of 2008. Yup, you are correct. My mistake. I checked the pics and it was the fall of 2008 ... Hell of a good time. Damn, I miss NC The first half of this video is from BRR II, Fall of 2008. We were surprised by a good bit of color that trip. Perhaps we'll be as lucky this time. Click to see video of BRR II / RCR I and some really sloppy riding on my part! Link to comment
Kinsley Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Get ready Maggie, here we come Link to comment
Lone_RT_rider Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Maggie Valley might just be a bit too drunk to notice our arrival. Link to comment
Chris K Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 I hate to miss this but I will be on my way to Taiwan. I sucks when work gets in the way of riding. Link to comment
TyTass Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 I hate to miss this but I will be on my way to Taiwan. I sucks when work gets in the way of riding. You'll be missed. ... we'll miss seeing you ride off like the wind around the first curve, never to be seen until lunch ... and of course you livening up the conversations each evening. Link to comment
greiffster Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Maggie Valley might just be a bit too drunk to notice our arrival. COST: $2.00 Adults....maybe free if you wear your lederhosen. Link to comment
Kinsley Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 We're a month away , so here are two links to the routes for FART 2014 in Maggie Valley. They contain the same information, but in GDB and GPX formats. Some people only get computer code with one or the other, so I loaded both. FART 2014 GDB FART 2014 GPX Ken, Nice job again with the routes. They look fantastic. As anyone that messes around in Basecamp knows, it takes a lot of time/effort to put it together correctly. Its appreciated for sure. You're welcome...I share this sickness with a few others around here, this route building, scouting, collecting Tracks, then reworking everything as a result. As far as I know, there is no cure Link to comment
Bernie Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 We're a month away , so here are two links to the routes for FART 2014 in Maggie Valley. They contain the same information, but in GDB and GPX formats. Some people only get computer code with one or the other, so I loaded both. FART 2014 GDB FART 2014 GPX Ken, Nice job again with the routes. They look fantastic. As anyone that messes around in Basecamp knows, it takes a lot of time/effort to put it together correctly. Its appreciated for sure. You're welcome...I share this sickness with a few others around here, this route building, scouting, collecting Tracks, then reworking everything as a result. As far as I know, there is no cure Ken, I had hope you found one. Oh well. Link to comment
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