Great Weekend in College Football!

[Matts_12GS]

Infidel.

 

The wounds are still fresh...

 

Besides, given my recent record, do you want me to root for 'bama?

[Knifemaker]

Originally Posted By: Huzband

Infidel.

 

The wounds are still fresh...

 

Besides, given my recent record, do you want me to root for 'bama?

 

Play nice boys....It was hard watching my Gators go down Saturday to whom we know on that day was a better team...boy that hurt....

 

but as I posted earlier in the year...Gator fan first... SEC second....So down with the horney cows..... Sorry Texas fans

[Matts_12GS]

Dianne offered to even root for TX and watch the game which is almost a guaranteed win for 'bama...

 

I think she watched too much of the Gator game

[Huzband]

I understand. I still remember how I felt last year. But I pulled for the Gators anyway. Don't think of it as rooting for Bama, think of it as rooting for the SEC.

[BFish]

if the same bama team that was on the field in ATL shows up against texas, there will be "blue eyes cryin in the rain."

 

after the auburn game i thought bama was over hyped. it may be difficult to play as well as they did against the gators, but even 80% is nat'l champ caliber worthy.

 

i got no doggie in this fight.

[tallman]

James,

Versus top ten

UF 1-1

Cin 0-0

Versus top 30

UF 4-1

Cin 3-0

(Heck, we were 2-4 vs top 30)

Strength of Schedule

UF 27

Cin 63

FSU 3

Go Barekatz.

[Firefight911]

Hmmm, before ya know it, the gubanunt is gonna be running football!!!

 

LINKY

 

He's gonna throw his weight around. Now that's funny!!!

[Huzband]

Am I the only one here that cares that Mark Ingram is the first in Crimson Tide history to take the Heisman trophy to Tuscaloosa?

 

I was sure Colt McCoy would get it, & almost fell off the couch when Mark's name was called. For me, yesterday was TRULY a great day in college football.

 

 

ROLL TIDE!!!!! :clap:

[beemerman2k]

Congratulations, Danny

 

I'm glad to see that someone is enjoying this College Football season!

[ltljohn]

Congratulations to Mark Ingram and the Tide, But a better day for me Navy beat Army for the 8th consecutive year!

[tallman]

Danny,

Hard to believe he is the first one.

Suh and McCoy split 370 or so 1st place votes, Gearhart carried the West, Ingrahm's big game in the SEC Champ. ;edged him over the top in the East.

I think he won all but one region.

McCoy lost it when the refs had to add a second to avoid the loss.

Closest Heismann ever.

 

Looks like we've added a Stoops to the staff so next year he'll be cosching against big brother when we go to Oklahoma.

Just may have to go to that one.

[Matts_12GS]

I was surprised he was the first one, congrats to him and the Tide.

 

I'm hoping to see a good game for the Championship between him and McCoy.

 

[Huzband]

I think Ingram will have a better day than Colt. But I also think Mac will have them watching the SEC Champ. game every day till 1/7, & they'll be as ready as they can be.

 

I predict a tight game, with (obviously) the SEC showing once again why it's the toughest conference in the nation.

 

Check out these numbers.

 

13-0 record

13 graduating (or graduated) starters

13th National championship

 

Given the totallity of the season, this will be better than spanking Miami in '92.

 

[tallman]

I think Saban will have them watching the Big 12 champ game and then put Suh on the back off all the D-line jerseys.

Colt would go apoplectic and pass out.

[Huzband]

I think Saban will have them watching the Big 12 champ game and then put Suh on the back off all the D-line jerseys.

Colt would go apoplectic and pass out.

 

[Huzband]

... But a better day for me Navy beat Army for the 8th consecutive year!

 

And THAT made the day even better.

 

Hat's off to the Navy coach (sorry, don't recall his name, & couldn't spell it anyway). Post-game with Tracy Wolfson asking him about the turn around in the players from the first half, & all he would do was offer up emotional respect for them for their up-coming sevice to our country. What a class act.

 

I was moved.

[bayoubengal]

It is actually refreshing to watch the service academies play. They play hard and they play disciplined. They also play with great sportsmanship. End of the games they escort each other to their respective sections for the Alma Mater. Sometimes walk off the field hand in hand in a show of unity. A year later they will be in a joint fight, but this one for real.

 

 

[chrisd]

... But a better day for me Navy beat Army for the 8th consecutive year!

 

And THAT made the day even better.

 

Hat's off to the Navy coach (sorry, don't recall his name, & couldn't spell it anyway). Post-game with Tracy Wolfson asking him about the turn around in the players from the first half, & all he would do was offer up emotional respect for them for their up-coming sevice to our country. What a class act.

 

I was moved.

 

Ken Niumatalolo. From Laie, here on Oahu.

[tallman]

He is an excellent coach.

With the former coach now successful at GT, Navy may be the new "cradle of coaches".

[motoguy128]

I really wanted to see Suh with the Heisman. He had a good showing in the voting. I think defensive players get too easily overlooked. The quality of the Nebraska defense and Suh's impact is the ONLY reason that the Huskers were 10-3 instead of somethig like 3-9.

 

Then again, the realities of Pro football and the demand for top defensive players and a oversupply of overrated offensive superstars... will have Suh getting drafted most likely #1... well ahead of McCoy or Tebow.

[tallman]

Suh's game vs Texas reminded me of Bubba's last pro game vs the Dolphins.

He made his last game memorable by making twelve unassisted tackles, sacking Bob Griese twice, blocking an extra point, and knocking aside a field goal.

 

If you put Tebow/McCoy on our team this year, maybe 1-2 more wins.

Add Suh and we win 4-5 more.

 

[Huzband]

Imagine if Bama had not lost Dante' Hightower in the Arkansas game. He's the linebacker twin & roommate to, Rolando McClain. As good as their defense was, it could have been SO MUCH better.

 

Consider Nkomadong Suh times two.

 

OOF!

[Whip]

The Big Ten ain't has weak as every said they were.

 

....or maybe everyone else is overrated.

 

 

 

 

[motoguy128]

The Big Ten ain't has weak as every said they were.

 

....or maybe everyone else is overrated.

 

 

I think because they were considered weak, for the most part, they ended up with lower rankings than they deserved. Even Northwestern and Minnesota almost pulled off wins.

 

The SEC is rolling. Although Auburn needed 5 interceptions to stay ahead of Northwestern.

 

Cinncinatti proved that the ranking system has problems. #3??? I think Nebraska would have been a better match-up against Florida.

 

The PAC-10 is looking overrated. Which is interesting, beacause the high ranking of Boise State for example, is mostly based on their win over Oregon... who Ohio State handled fairly easily down the stretch.

[Knifemaker]

Ok Danny.....Florida did it's part for the SEC.....It's up to the Tide to finish it up......Hopefully at the end of the the the SEC will own the # 1 and #2 spot.....

 

 

Like him or not the stats PROVE Tim T........is deserving as one of the ALL TIME Greats in College Football......

[Whip]

 

Like him or not the stats PROVE Tim T........is deserving as one of the ALL TIME Greats in College Football......

 

 

Many great kids have had great college careers. The next step is a big one. College and Pros are very different.

I hope he doesn't end up....

 

 

....just like him.

 

...and him...

 

 

and... him.

 

 

and... him

 

 

 

...need I go on.

 

 

I don't think he'll make a good pro, but ya never know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Knifemaker]

No argument from me Whip.....just a statement on his college career....A stop in the NFL for Tim is just that ...a stop....he seems to have a higher calling than football.....

[chrisd]

Here's an interesting article on the cost to some teams for their participation in bowl games.

[Whip]

No argument from me Whip.....just a statement on his college career....A stop in the NFL for Tim is just that ...a stop....he seems to have a higher calling than football.....

 

 

In Texas there is no higher calling....

 

 

What do ya think his calling is?????

 

I really don't know anything about him????

[Bullett]

Here's an interesting article on the cost to some teams for their participation in bowl games.

 

Selling their ticket quota was not an issue for TCU for this year's rematch at the Fiesta Bowl. TCU quickly sold out their 19,000 ticket allotment and requested additional tickets. As an alumnus, I wasn't able to get tickets through the school because I'm not a member of the athletic booster club.

 

I did see that BSU had about 3,000 tickets left of their allotment as of December 10th. Certainly fan base plays a role for these smaller Division 1 schools.

 

If the last meeting of these two teams is indicative of what we will see this year, the Fiesta Bowl is the game to watch on Monday night. (If TCU wins, the Mountain West Conference will be 5-0 in post season play).

 

 

[Matts_12GS]

[quote=Whip

In Texas there is no higher calling....

 

I thought that only applied in High School football.

 

I think TT's calling will be using his status and brand as an athlete to raise funds for various humanitarian concerns around the world.

 

Or, he'll play forever and have a hall of fame career...

 

[motoguy128]

No argument from me Whip.....just a statement on his college career....A stop in the NFL for Tim is just that ...a stop....he seems to have a higher calling than football.....

 

The analysts during that game were showing pointing out some concerns that pros would have with is throwing technique. Ultimately the speed of the game is different, jsut as going form high school to college, you wither learn ot make decisiosn even quicker and read defensese better or you don't.

 

Ether way, as mentieond, he seems liek a smart kid with a good head on his shoulders and a very religious person. He'd probably be happy serving as a minister of a small church or vounteering for youth groups and homeless shelters the rest of his life.

 

I do hope he does well in the pro's only for the fact that he'd be a great leader, role model and ambassdor for the NFL.

 

 

Besides, my uncle met him and got his autograph before college. It will be worth a fortune if he's the next Tom Brady.

[tallman]

New Gator Bowl attendance record, more fans than when the Super Bowl was there.

Underdog rallies to win for iconic coach preserving streak of 33 consecutive winning seasons.

22nd bowl victory for the coach.

Highest win percentage for bowl games.

 

You had to be there.

We were.

 

B-o-b-b-y B-o-w-d-e-n cheers rang out from thousands.

Among the cheers, tears flowed freely.

The best dadgum coach won his final game.

Go 'Noles!

[hANNAbONE]

oNE wORD ... H A W K E Y E S ... !!!

[motoguy128]

oNE wORD ... H A W K E Y E S ... !!!

 

You're early... they don't play until tommorrow night.

 

[Matts_12GS]

New Gator Bowl attendance record, more fans than when the Super Bowl was there.

Underdog rallies to win for iconic coach preserving streak of 33 consecutive winning seasons.

22nd bowl victory for the coach.

Highest win percentage for bowl games.

 

You had to be there.

We were.

 

B-o-b-b-y B-o-w-d-e-n cheers rang out from thousands.

Among the cheers, tears flowed freely.

The best dadgum coach won his final game.

Go 'Noles!

 

I think Mr. Catlett from the Gator Bowl association cheapened his brand strong-arming the conference to put a 4-4 team there for sentimental reasons. Just the same, I'm glad that Paterno will be able to retire now since those two have finally ended their silly contest thanks to the FSU AD.

 

How 'bout them BOREcats?

[lawnchairboy]

you didn't see me????

 

in the WV end. Crappy tailgating weather, but the weather after the first half was OK.

[lawnchairboy]

hey hANNAbONE:

 

The yellow jacket I married takes issue with you!

 

Hope it is a good game

 

 

[tallman]

Matt,

FSU has accomodated the wishes of the ACC for several games in recent seasons.

These were games that we did not want to schedule the way the league did.

These were the Labor Day night games set up for TV.

We've also done the sort week into a Thursday game where the opponenet had longer prep time.

 

We've ended up with a short week three times recently due to schedules they set. (In contrast Miami had 12 days to prepare for the next game they played).

So, the conference owed us.

The conference has some input in bowl selections outside the BCS game.

Second.

We played one of the most difficult schedules this season.

The record could easily have been better, but in most games the team was very competitive.

Third.

The historical tie to West Virginia was attractive to both schools.

Fourth.

The undisputable fact is the bowl sold more tickets than ever before.

This includes the annual affair that UF plays in.

Odd that with all the recent success the Gators haven't set a higher standard for ticket sales at the Gator Bowl venue.

The bowl needs to make money too

Fifth.

The ranked team was beaten.

This year there have been quite a few outcomes that didn't seem likely based on the regular season.

Sixth.

Sentiment?

Don't even go there after the week Urban had...

Seventh.

Silly contest?

I think UF has had 7 head coaches since Bobby began coaching at FSU.

I understand that gator fans don't have the same history with their coaches and don't hold that against them.

Perhaps one day they will.

Eighth.

FSU brings a cachet to any bowl game.

The hold the record for consecutive bowl victories with 11.

They have the current longest streak for consecutive bowl games.

Bobby has the highest win percentage in bowl games.

And, despite playing football for @40 fewer season, FSU has a better bowl record than the Gators.

FSU 21-14-2 UF 18-19-3

Now since the 1990's I believe UF and FSU are #1 & #2 for total victories.

Both schools have a tradition of excellence.

Right now the cycle favors the Gators, but it wasn't long ago that FSU had years of consecutive wins over UF.

 

I wonder how you would feel about this if the coach involved was at UF, or OSU?

 

Now that the nonBCS schools are doing so well in many bowls, history may look back at recent BCS games and wonder about teams with no losses being excluded in favor of teams w/1 or 2 losses merely because perception ( a form of sentiment) was that they played in a stronger conference.

Happy New Year.

[motoguy128]

 

Now that the nonBCS schools are doing so well in many bowls, history may look back at recent BCS games and wonder about teams with no losses being excluded in favor of teams w/1 or 2 losses merely because perception ( a form of sentiment) was that they played in a stronger conference.

Happy New Year.

 

until those programs start to consitently play 2 or 3 games against teams from the "stronger" soncerence each season to ffset the very weak conference scedule they have,, I don't see them getting mcuh more respoect. I think Alabama, Texas, Nebraska or Florida (as demonstrated in their pounding of Cinn) would make short work of TCU or Boise State. Actually, I think TCU was the stronger team overall, but BS was scrappier and TCU's QB made some bad decisions. IF either TCU or BSU playing in the Big 12, SEC, ACC, Big-10 or Pac 10 with the same players they have now, they would have 2 or 3 losses. They'd still be a top 25 program, but 2nd or 3rd in any of those conferences. Heck with normal green turf a home, I think BSU would have had 1 or 2 losses. As if being in the middle of Idaho isn't enough of a home field advantage... the NCAA allows them to play on a blue field??? Go get some road wins against top 25 programs from the major conferences, then you can talk about a national championship.

 

Look at it this way. Iowa for example, played 8 games agaisnt teams that went on to play bowl games including WI, AZ, OSU, MSU, Minn, Northwestern, ISU and PSU. They might have gone undefeated if a certain all-american linebacker didn't flatten the starting QB. Only 6 of Boise State's oppoenets went to bowl games. Of the other 6 wins, 4 of the teams had 4 wins or less. They only had 1 victory against a ranked opponent... and that was Oregon, who was easily dispatched by OSU. Iowa beat 4 teams that finished the regular season ranked and only played 3 teams with <0.500 records. I'm not saying Iowa deserved a higher ranking, but I think teams like Nebraska and OSU, and even WI should have been ranked higher than TCU or Boise State. And maybe even Iowa, Penn State, GT, and a couple of SEC teams.

 

I've said it before, but look at college basketball. If you don't play games against top ranked NC opponents, you'll never get a top 3 seed in the tournament.

 

But that's just my opinion.

[beemerman2k]

To that, motoguy128, I say, "but look at college basketball", they have March Madness. If we had something similar in college football, that would end all these debates. If a Boise State can enter the tournament and defeat Texas Christian in the first round, Nebraska in the second round, and then Alabama for all the marbles, we wouldn't be having this discussion would we?

 

I am all for a "winner take all" tournament in college football. Top 8 to top 4 to top 2 and the winner gets all the marbles -- especially bragging rights, which is the most prized possession of all

[Huzband]

If a Boise State can enter the tournament and defeat Texas Christian in the first round, Nebraska in the second round, and then Alabama for all the marbles, we wouldn't be having this discussion would we?

 

No, but "we" would be having a screaming fit.

[tallman]

Same argument made when Boise played Oklahoma.

 

BTW, who won that game?

 

Schedules in some cases are set years in advanc.

Sometimes new games can be scheduled, not always.

 

We pick up Oklahoma and Air Force, keep BYU and Florida as our non-conference games for next year.

Will that be a harder schedule than TCU's?

Probably.

Should TCU have had a shot at a title? Definitely.

Would they win? Not likely.

But, a true playoff system would generate money, interest, and a champion.

It exists in the othere divisions.

It exists in high school.

It should happen in all divisions, IMO.

 

Just as an 18-13 team from the Big East most likely would beat a 24-6 team from a small conference, upsets happen.

Big time colleges used to play 9 or 10 games a year.

Now it can be 14.

There's room for traditional games and a playoff too.

 

BAck to your original argument about "those" teams playing stronger teams from traditional conference powers.

FSU was an independent.

Scheduling was a nightmare.

There were times we went to Ohio State, LSU, Nebraska in the same month.

It took victories at Michigan, OSU, Nebraska, FLorida, Pitt, to change the perception of the program so I know from experience what you mean.

Perhaps the gaze should fall on the big schools.

How many of them (give Oregon props) are scheduling the upstarts?

Again this may be tied to long term schedules that began 15-20 years ago.

Next year Alabama plays both FLorida and Penn State in addition to traditional rivals.

Florida flays Miami, Ohio but picks up USF and Appalachian State.

 

So don't blame the teams who can't get on a schedule for not being scheduled.

IF you really feel that way, then IMO, one would support a playoff where the teams could settle it on the field and not in the ether.

Best wishes.

 

[Knifemaker]

New approach.....NO inter-conference games that way at the end of the year a true champion from the SEC can be crowned...again...and again...and again....

 

Ok Ok have a since of humor.........

[motoguy128]

To that, motoguy128, I say, "but look at college basketball", they have March Madness. If we had something similar in college football, that would end all these debates. If a Boise State can enter the tournament and defeat Texas Christian in the first round, Nebraska in the second round, and then Alabama for all the marbles, we wouldn't be having this discussion would we?

 

I am all for a "winner take all" tournament in college football. Top 8 to top 4 to top 2 and the winner gets all the marbles -- especially bragging rights, which is the most prized possession of all

 

I completely agree... and if Boise State could beat TCU, Nebraska and Alabama, they would deserve to be the national champion. But watching the game last night, and hte Sugar Bowl, I imagine teams like Nebraska, GT and Iowa are feeling a little screwed over in the rankings.

 

I think the first place to start, is having a better method for determining strength of schedule and rewarding teams to playing strong NC opponents rather tha nthe current system that generally rewards wins and punishies losses no matter who you play.

 

Who would you rather schedule? Indiana and Michigan or Nevada and Fresno State??? BYU and Utah, or Northwestern and Wisconsin? BYU and Utah are ranked higher, but look at how NW and WI played this weekend. WHen is the last time a team put up 600+ yards on 115 plays and lost???

[beemerman2k]

Perhaps the gaze should fall on the big schools.

How many of them (give Oregon props) are scheduling the upstarts?

 

Michigan's opener next fall is against the UConn Huskies. How many on this forum even knew the University of Connecticut had a football team? They beat South Carolina in their bowl game last week. In any case, give them some credit; the Huskies are giving the upstart Michigan Wolverines a shot at a tough opponent

 

Man, this is a tough time to be a Michigan man

[beemerman2k]

I think the first place to start, is having a better method for determining strength of schedule and rewarding teams to playing strong NC opponents rather tha nthe current system that generally rewards wins and punishies losses no matter who you play.

 

Yes, because under the scenario I painted, the big controversy would be who makes the cut off and who doesn't as far as getting into the tournament in the first place.

[tallman]

Which would mean voiding contracts that have been signed, in some cases, for decades.

It happens, there are "buyouts" when circumstances dictate.

Another question to resolve is venue.

Some schools specialize in playing 7 or 8 of their 11 or 12 games at home.

Nebrask (whom I respect) used to load that way.

We had 8 a few years ago but moved games to Orlando or Jax.

We played Alabama a few years ago, and won.

That "home" game was played in the Gator Bowl.

Same with Notre Dame.

WE've only played them once here (they won), our other "home" game with them was in Orlando.

Pick a venue 250 miles from South Bend and move a Notre DAme game there and call it a home game.

Small schools will come to the big house for a payday.

That will also skew strength of schedule, w/l, margin of victory, etc.

If a weighting system based on previous performance, current performance, conference performance versus out of conference teams, and venue were created, I think that would be a good start.

 

Before we get too high and mighty, remember that this year, if Florida doesn't benefit from some dubious calls/non-calls and Alabama doesn't block that field goal, and Texas doesn't get a free shot tobeat Nebraska, we would be dealing with the issue this year and the bteams in the Fiesta might very well have played for the title.

I've no problem w/that.

[brennaman]

and Texas doesn't get a free shot tobeat Nebraska,

 

Just to be fair, and I am not a longhorn fan, Texas had lady luck on thier side when there was time left on the clock after McCoy's pass hit the ground. So they got another play. They may have been VERY lucky, but were not given any breaks on that last field goal. There just happen to be some time left on the clock.

[Matts_12GS]

Ah hell, I was gonna respond but in the interest of decorum, I'll save what I had written.