Dave McReynolds Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 How about pepper spray......Any "packers there?"..... State laws vary. For example, in California it's legal to use against people, illegal against bears. In other states, it's the reverse.... Go figure! Link to comment
russell_bynum Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 I cannot belive any state would stop me from protecting my property Believe it. .....anyone can sue anyone for anything....winning and collecting are the hard part..... Yep, and legal fees to fight it may cost you your house in the meantime. Link to comment
Joe_Rocket Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Not true in any State in the US. There are MANY other justifiable uses of deadly force... they vary state to state, but no state limits it to "in fear for your life". Some examples from my state: Arson of an occupied building Rape Protection of another life Check the statutes for the state you live in for the actual applicable details. JW <snip> The only time that deadly force is justified is when you are in fear of your life. Michael Link to comment
akasjl Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 This is very simple. If you are traveling w/in your state you have no problems if you have a permit. As already noted with the direct quote from the federal statute, you need to dissassemble the firearm while traveling between states until you get to your destination: unless you are a fed. By not doing so, you open yourself up to state and/or federal prosecution. As also noted, there are the civil suits that you open yourself up to as well. The police, DA and US Attorney aren't going to want to hear the excuses or rationale. You will get locked up even if you do "protect yourself or your property." One may be able to justify protecting oneself at a trial, but not the variety of weapon reltated charges that will also be tacked on as well. Bottom line is that it is not worth the risk, but if one does it, he is forewarned and ignorance is never a defense. Link to comment
Dan Adams Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Become a Policeman and retire, and you can legally carry a concealed handgun in all 50 states!! Link to comment
drmrbooy Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Regardless of someone (sane, non-criminal and who have never shot anyone in the past) having the permit to carry or not, if it came to the "moment of truth", honestly, who could (outside of law enforcement or military personnel in a theatre of combat, who train for this to be instinctive) pull the trigger without hesitation or falter? When I was a young man in the Marine Corps, I know that I would be able to because of the training, firing exercises and aggressive "bravado" drilled into an impressionable mind, but I never saw combat, so I don't have a real life scenario to compare this to (and of course a combat zone would be a different situation altogether compared to being robbed or accosted by thugs). Now, years later, serparated from the military by time and not as "testosterone-filled", I don't think I could without wide-eyed hesitation. Of course, this could be the soon-to-be-graduating nursing student in me speaking. Link to comment
John Ranalletta Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Not just on road trips... but all the time. I also hold a concealed carry permit. A handgun is simply an outstanding accessory for a motorcycle.JW According to which statistics? How many motorcyclists encountered a situation where a sidearm saved the day? Do you personally know of any? When was the last time you felt the need to draw a weapon in any situation, on a m/c or not? Carrying a gun substantially raises the probability of a bad outcome. I'm not anti-gun ownership, but, come on, this is the 21st century. We use statistics and facts to make decisions, not hyped-up NRA, Deliverance imagery of America. Likely, any rider needing a sidearm is making some questionable choices about where, when and with whom to ride. Link to comment
steve.foote Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Regardless of someone (sane, non-criminal and who have never shot anyone in the past) having the permit to carry or not, if it came to the "moment of truth", honestly, who could (outside of law enforcement or military personnel in a theatre of combat, who train for this to be instinctive) pull the trigger without hesitation or falter? I'm your huckleberry. Link to comment
270 Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 How about pepper spray......Any "packers there?"..... Phil.......Redbrick Illegal in most states... Link to comment
RRR111 Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 I have a ccw permit. In Arizona you may only show or use your weapon if you believe you are in danger of serious bodily injury or death. I can't believe Texas would allow deadly force under theft conditions where your life is not threatened. Come to think of it, Bush came from Texas--now I understand!!! Link to comment
smiller Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 you could easily wind up in jail for doing something in California that would likely get a ticker-tape parade in Texas. You obviously know California, and it looks like you know Texas pretty well, too... Link to comment
russell_bynum Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 You obviously know California, and it looks like you know Texas pretty well, too... Born and raised in Texas. Currently doing time in California. Link to comment
SteveB Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 Why is it that this topic always turn to Politics? Now, lets start a helmet thread. Back on topic ...What Marty said. Link to comment
Ralph Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 Nope! I use too & once in New Jersey I got into a bunch of trouble with the police on a stop & lost it. Spent several hours in the local station & was almost given some time in the hoosegow. But I do carry a nice sharp knife & know how to use it. Link to comment
smiller Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 Born and raised in Texas. Currently doing time in California. And I'm the opposite! Link to comment
Ralph Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 I have a ccw permit. In Arizona you may only show or use your weapon if you believe you are in danger of serious bodily injury or death. I can't believe Texas would allow deadly force under theft conditions where your life is not threatened. Come to think of it, Bush came from Texas--now I understand!!! Uncalled for answer. Cm'on now, lets not get politics into it. Geesh! Link to comment
270 Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 I have a ccw permit. In Arizona you may only show or use your weapon if you believe you are in danger of serious bodily injury or death. I can't believe Texas would allow deadly force under theft conditions where your life is not threatened. Come to think of it, Bush came from Texas--now I understand!!! Actually, you can shoot someone who is commiting criminal a criminal act after dark. There is a case study where a man shot two for stealing the hubcaps off of his car. It was night... Link to comment
Ralph Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 Here in Oklahoma, If you shoot him, ya better drag him inside your house & save the tax payers some money. Link to comment
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