Sonor Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I would bet since it is a student driver, the company that supplies the teacher (if it is not a parent) is also liable in this case. Link to comment
Dennis Andress Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I would bet since it is a student driver, the company that supplies the teacher (if it is not a parent) is also liable in this case. Like, why didn't the instructor put on the brakes!! Link to comment
Mrs. Caddis Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Like, why didn't the instructor put on the brakes!! The driver ED cars our sons used did not have instructor brakes like when I took driver ED. Most likely this car did not either. Link to comment
Twisties Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Sometimes it's just going to be one of those days. Link to comment
greiffster Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 The student driver probably panicked after getting hung out in the intersection, and threw it in reverse. Interesting, as it looks like he/she had to give it a little extra gas to actually get over the top of the motorcycle. Link to comment
Bill_Walker Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 From what the guy said on Reddit, I believe the driver was driving under a learner's permit, but was not taking a paid lesson at the time. At least here in California, a person with a permit is allowed to drive a vehicle when accompanied by a licensed driver over age 18 (IIRC). I would assume the law is similar in other states. Not only did the driver not look behind the car, he/she even failed to back up in his/her original lane! Link to comment
Twisties Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Not only did the driver not look behind the car, he/she even failed to back up in his/her original lane! Funny, I noticed that! Link to comment
Kathy R Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 And cages think we're paranoid Link to comment
szurszewski Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 From what the guy said on Reddit, I believe the driver was driving under a learner's permit, but was not taking a paid lesson at the time. At least here in California, a person with a permit is allowed to drive a vehicle when accompanied by a licensed driver over age 18 (IIRC). I would assume the law is similar in other states. Not only did the driver not look behind the car, he/she even failed to back up in his/her original lane! Part 1: My take from reading this was the same as yours - they had (what in Oregon would be called) an instructional permit, but were not a "professional" driving lesson. (If they were, and it were one of my instructors, they would be absolutely fired - there was plenty of time to stop that car by various means - even a parent should have been able to get the "kid" to stop with or without an instructor brake). Part 2: I'm not surprised they didn't look back - I'm pretty sure they had no intention of going back - certainly not like that. (Well, that, and having watched MANY drivers back up - experience and novice - it's pretty UNcommon for people to look back before they start moving back.) Link to comment
TestPilot Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Part 2: I'm not surprised they didn't look back - I'm pretty sure they had no intention of going back - certainly not like that. (Well, that, and having watched MANY drivers back up - experience and novice - it's pretty UNcommon for people to look back before they start moving back.) And that situation will only get worse when back-up cameras become mandatory (2016 I believe). People will be heads-down looking at the camera picture instead of turning around and getting the big picture. Link to comment
szurszewski Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Part 2: I'm not surprised they didn't look back - I'm pretty sure they had no intention of going back - certainly not like that. (Well, that, and having watched MANY drivers back up - experience and novice - it's pretty UNcommon for people to look back before they start moving back.) And that situation will only get worse when back-up cameras become mandatory (2016 I believe). People will be heads-down looking at the camera picture instead of turning around and getting the big picture. While I 100% agree that you get a better field of view (big picture) by turning around, I'd be happy if folks with the back-up cameras would at least look at the dang screen - most folks I get to observe don't really look at that either - at least not until after they are already in motion. Link to comment
tallman Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Sometimes folks mix up brake and gas in stress situation. Wouldn't be the first time. Link to comment
enfoman Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I hit both at times in FORD trucks when coming to a stop. It is my contention that the peddles are a bit closer together than the GM products that I normally drive. It does give a bit of pucker power when the engine revs while coming to a stop. I can only imagine how this would feel to a newbie. Link to comment
Ponch Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I hit both at times in FORD trucks when coming to a stop. It is my contention that the peddles are a bit closer together than the GM products that I normally drive. It does give a bit of pucker power when the engine revs while coming to a stop. I can only imagine how this would feel to a newbie. Don't drive a newer Passat. My wife got a 2013 and when I drive it I have to be careful hitting the gas as sometimes I catch the brake pedal. It wasn't made with size 14 shoes in mind. Never had a problem like that before. Link to comment
foundationapps Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 On reactions / training. I propose that driver trainer in most countries lacks training on higher stress and emergency procedures. A panic reaction (like hitting the wrong peddles) occurs solely as a result of no exposure to a particular situation. We all know that you will NOT do the right procedure at the most needed time, you will panic. Hand / eye coordination fails, fine motor skills fail, major muscle groups do not react with accuracy and speed. Vision is affected, all that stuff. Went to HALO school in 1985. High Altitude / Low Open (skydiving with a lot of crap on in all weather conditions). You practiced emergency procedures over and over and over, several times a day. On jump day or before and between multiple jumps, you practice and rehearsed the old "shake once, shake twice, look grab, look grab, pull, pull" procedure over and over. From low altitude opening of 2000' or lower, you close with the earth at 120 mph. Fatal impact will occur if you don't do that procedure right the first time. At high pull altitudes you obviously have more time to make decisions. Had a fatal parachute malfunction at 18,000' once but had about 4000' feet to try and make it work before going to the reserve and make it to the drop zone because of the 60 mph pusher winds at altitude. Sorry, my mind wanders to the good old days. That video to me looked like an unplanned BAD reaction accelerated to panic, which terminated in the vehicle drifting to the wrong lane, impact with the bike was probably inevitable given her situation and previous exposure at the time. Hence: Driver training in the US sucks. Virtually no one would pass the Japanese riding exam in the first time, many on the second go around. Add to that smartphone terminal human guidance systems parked on the steering wheel of 50% or more of the population, ADDED to unskilled drivers, ADDED to systems designed to prevent crashes, but aren't doing much to help the problem, to a public that is for the most part playing life's "The Walking Dead" with vital signs mode. Sorry for being wordy. Link to comment
Ponch Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I understand the germans are pretty thorough too. Link to comment
foundationapps Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Roger that, heard that too. This Swiss I heard as well. Link to comment
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