Audio/Radio has no option for wired helmet speakers

[Deek]

You'd thing I'd know this.....I had an '06 with the radio system...but things have changed.

 

I now own a non-audio 2009 RT, and thinking of getting a 2012/2013 RT with the audio option. Currently I use a J&M Integratr to process audio from my GPS, MP3, FM radion, etc to my wired J&M helmet speakers. On the 2010+ RTs with the audio option - is there no way to use my WIRED Nolan helmet with its J&M speakers? I don't care for using the bike's dash speakers....for one thing I can't hear those above 45 mph or so, especially since I wear ear plugs.

 

Thanks.

 

[Danny caddyshack Noonan]

J&M, I think, makes a wired kit for the 2010+ RTs. If that is what you are asking. All of the functionality is maintained in the bluetooth set so, I'd assume that it does so as well with the wired kit.

[Dave_in_TX]

There is a way to use wired speakers if you are able to make your own cable. In fact I'm doing that with my 2011 RT. This was discusses in a thread n this forum a few months ago. There is a bmw connector harness you can buy that plugs in to a connector on the radio. You need to solder a jack (or other connector depending on what your speakers require) to the wires on the harness. I do not remember what the part number is.

[Deek]

Well, it appears what I want to do is possible.....but at some cost and some work. Heck, I might just forget about the RT with audio option and stick with what I have now (Integratr). It works well, it just takes up some space. I suppose I'd save almost $1000 giving up that option, all things considered.

 

However, another option is just using the audio WITHOUT going to the hassle of getting GPS piped in and having it auto-blank out the MP3 player....like you're doing. But I'm sticking with my wired Nolan helmet, so either I use the bike's speakers for music (w or wo gps), or I continue to use my Integatr with some added work. I think I need a test ride to see how well I can hear the bike's speakers at 65 mph with my Nolan and ear plugs. But I'm guess I'd be unhappy with the volume. I can easily live without GPS audio, but I really have come to enjoy music when I ride.....it's about the only time I listen to music anymore!

 

[Deek]

J&M, I think, makes a wired kit for the 2010+ RTs. If that is what you are asking. All of the functionality is maintained in the bluetooth set so, I'd assume that it does so as well with the wired kit.

 

Do you have a link or part number? I visited JMCorp.com but didn't see such an option, unless it's the Integratr. Thanks.

[Danny caddyshack Noonan]

Deek

No I don't. I figured since they make the BT, they make a wired one. Email or call them. They're catalog leaves a bit to be desired for clarity and organization. They list the system and then you have to figure out what it does.

[azokie]

I am sure J&M doesn't have anything that is not an expensive option. Before I made my own interconnection (0n my 2012 RT) with a simple cable between the audio connector and my J&M Integrator, I went to J&M (I live in the Tucson area) and asked them.

 

What you apparently want to do is exactly what I have done. That is use via hardwire, the J&M Interagted XM, AM/FM etc radio on the R1200Rt with your J&M Integratr which will also pipe your GPS, all radio or other audio devises plus radar through the Integratr to the J&M helmet headset.

 

For about $30 plus tax, you can get the BMW 4 wire connector (part # 83300413584--called Repair Plug 4-Pin) that connects to the audio plug under the headstem on the 2012 model RT (not sure if there is an audio connector for 2010 and 2011 models and assume it is there for the 2013 R1200RT.

 

There are wiring diagrams on this site but I can help also. I do not have a diagram per se but I can look at mine and see how I hooked mine up. I took one of my spare J&M sterero cables with two male ends and cut off one of the end connectors. You could also use any stereo 3 conductor cable that has the male 3 mm end to plug into the AUX female on the J&M Integratr. I used posilok connectors to connect the 3 conductor cable from the J&M Integratr to the BMW repair plug. My set up has been in use since Sept 2012 without any hitches. I get CB or GMRS, radar, XM and other radio signals,CB/ GMRS plus GPS audio signals all to my helmet via the Integrator.

 

[Deek]

I am sure J&M doesn't have anything that is not an expensive option. Before I made my own interconnection (0n my 2012 RT) with a simple cable between the audio connector and my J&M Integrator, I went to J&M (I live in the Tucson area) and asked them.

 

What you apparently want to do is exactly what I have done. That is use via hardwire, the J&M Interagted XM, AM/FM etc radio on the R1200Rt with your J&M Integratr which will also pipe your GPS, all radio or other audio devises plus radar through the Integratr to the J&M helmet headset.

 

For about $30 plus tax, you can get the BMW 4 wire connector (part # 83300413584--called Repair Plug 4-Pin) that connects to the audio plug under the headstem on the 2012 model RT (not sure if there is an audio connector for 2010 and 2011 models and assume it is there for the 2013 R1200RT.

 

There are wiring diagrams on this site but I can help also. I do not have a diagram per se but I can look at mine and see how I hooked mine up. I took one of my spare J&M sterero cables with two male ends and cut off one of the end connectors. You could also use any stereo 3 conductor cable that has the male 3 mm end to plug into the AUX female on the J&M Integratr. I used posilok connectors to connect the 3 conductor cable from the J&M Integratr to the BMW repair plug. My set up has been in use since Sept 2012 without any hitches. I get CB or GMRS, radar, XM and other radio signals,CB/ GMRS plus GPS audio signals all to my helmet via the Integrator.

 

I have to keep you in mind for that project if I get a 2010+ RT! Yes, sounds like that's an option, but another option is just to find an RT without the audio, and connect things like I have now (using the Integratr for radio, and to tie in the GPS and MP3 player). That's certainly the less expensive option. I have the NAVIII off my 2006 RT that I transplanted to the current 2009, and I'm assuming I could do that again with a newer RT. But thanks very much for the offer......I might come knocking on your door!

 

[Deek]

Looks like I will need some help. I am getting a 2012 RT with the audio option. I found some brief info on the 83300413584 part you mentioned, but haven't been able to find the diagram so I know what to do with that part.

 

I'm guessing that the part (# 83300413584--called Repair Plug 4-Pin) is to what I connect the 3.5mm "input" cable into the Integratr....(but why the "4-Pin - the stereo cable is only two wire, right?). I'm then assuming anything that the BMW audio "hears" and send to the speakers (or Bluetouth) would also be "heard" in my helmet via my intgratr? What about the GPS? I am going to transplant my 2006 BMW/Garmin NAVIII from my current RT to the new RT.....assuming that will work.....of course, it has an audio out jack that can easily plug into the Integratr even if I cannot run the GPS first to the RT's audio system.

 

Thanks a bunch!

 

[Dave_in_TX]

Looks like I will need some help. I am getting a 2012 RT with the audio option. I found some brief info on the 83300413584 part you mentioned, but haven't been able to find the diagram so I know what to do with that part.

 

I'm guessing that the part (# 83300413584--called Repair Plug 4-Pin) is to what I connect the 3.5mm "input" cable into the Integratr....(but why the "4-Pin - the stereo cable is only two wire, right?). I'm then assuming anything that the BMW audio "hears" and send to the speakers (or Bluetouth) would also be "heard" in my helmet via my intgratr? What about the GPS? I am going to transplant my 2006 BMW/Garmin NAVIII from my current RT to the new RT.....assuming that will work.....of course, it has an audio out jack that can easily plug into the Integratr even if I cannot run the GPS first to the RT's audio system.

 

Thanks a bunch!

 

Only three wires from the BMW connector are used. Someone on the RT forum at bmwlt.com posted a picture there showing which wires to use. There was also a thread on this forum that referred to the bmwlt.com site so a search hare might turn something up.

[Dave_in_TX]

You might get the information you're looking for at

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?p=507988 and

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showpost.php?p=606839&postcount=100

[azokie]

Deek. Warning. This is long.

 

The BMW repair plug has 4 wires as a pig tail but only three are used-normally. You will know what I mean by normally later. You can refer to diagrams referred to within other messages and on various forums.. Then, what may cause some confusion and some negative thoughts is that of the three useable wires coming out of the repair plug--left, right and ground--if going to the J&M Integratr, you use only the left and right wires. On the cable going to the integrator with the 3.5 mm male plug that cable will also have three conductors one is ground--usually wrapped in foil. Again, use just the left and right wires of the audio cable and the left and right wires of the repair plug connector. What I am describing is only applicable to connecting to the J&M Integrator, as far as I know. The reason is that the Integrator is already grounded and if you also use ground wires from the BMW radio you will know it because there will be a loud ground hum type noise that will be present. I know because I used all three initially and finally figured out why I was getting the hum noise. I think this is referred to as a ground loop.

 

As to your non BMW (Garmin) GPS with audio connection. Just do as you thought and run an audio cable from the GPS to your Integrator GPS port. Again, because most GPS units use a mono plug and for some reasons I forget at the moment, you may not get audio out of the GPS thru the Integrator into your helmet because of the ground loop issue. If not, all you need is a ground loop isolation cable or adapter. One of these: https://www.escortradar.com/store/motorcycle-adapter.html or http://www.amazon.com/PAC-SNI-1-3-5mm-Gr...d+loop+isolator

 

The same isolation adaptor will likely be needed with any radar detector going through the J&M Itegratr.

 

The one thing I do not like about my BMW Nav system integrated with the radio/audio system is that the volume of the nav unit is controlled by the audio wheel on the left handle bar location—which also control the radio audio. So, if I am listening to XM, for example, with the Nav unit turned on and navigating to a location, the Nav unit audio instructions override the XM radio station but I think only one speaker cuts out the XM. So, the louder I attempt to make the Nan unit audio, the loader the XM radio is in the other headset speaker. I often just mute the XM if I think I am about to hear a Nav audible instruction. Having a separate GPS audio volume control would negate the integrated audio issue.

[Deek]

Thanks. I'll keep researching............

[MTRREF]

This is really an easy project, just not well documented by BMW. There is an audio out plug located under the dash right in front of the handle bars -- under the support brace. It is designed to do exactly what you want to do. The plug appears to be designed so that you could power rear speakers, if you had rear speakers; it is more than adequate to power any helmet headset.

 

The process is well documented on another forum -- see http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53007. It is a long thread and has some information councerning the plug location on pre-2010 bikes (please ignore all this stuff). My project was completed almost two years ago and is still working perfectly

 

 

[Deek]

Thanks for the link, Jim. I've read through that once before, and my problem is that it's WAY beyond my capabilities, and probably my dealer's also! I was hoping to discover some creative guy or site (like Sierra-mc.com) who'd designed a "plug and play" solution for the non-electricians among us. Also, sounds like I'e have impedence issues between the amplified large speakers and the tiny speakers in a headset. Or, I'd need to run them through an Autocom (or similar) to prevent blowing out the helmet speakers.

 

I have elected instead to go the Bluetooth route, which I hope will work okay for me.....it too seems to have problems, but there are a TON of people doing that at least. And there are certain benefits to BT, like being able to use an appropriate GPS on my other mc that doesn't have any kind of a sound system, plus the abilty to use a cell phone.....which I really don't need.

 

Really appreciate you posting the link for us though.

[lkchris]

Audio/Radio has no option for wired helmet speakers ...

 

Why, this seems so obvious from a safety/liability standpoint.

 

I worried for years about having a cord going to my helmet so I could hear my radar detector.

 

Bluetooth is the obvious solution.

[HeliMark]

Audio/Radio has no option for wired helmet speakers ...

 

Why, this seems so obvious from a safety/liability standpoint.

 

I worried for years about having a cord going to my helmet so I could hear my radar detector.

 

Bluetooth is the obvious solution.

 

The 'Wing and Harley Ultra both have wired connections still. And with a 3.5mm plug, it will disconnect very easily on a get off. I have parked my bike several times and forgot to disconnect. All I noticed was a slight pull, followed by words not to be said hoping I did not ruin the wire on my earplugs.

 

Bluetooth is nice, if you buy the BMW setup, otherwise it is way to over complex and $$$.

 

Mark