SAMSAR Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I need some new crush washers for my Gear and Final Drive plugs. Ditto for the Oil plug too. I have a 2002 1150RT. Does anyone know what part numbers I need from McMaster Carr online??? Thanks! Link to comment
DavidEBSmith Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Y'know, the only place for crush washers that's more expensive than your BMW dealer would be McMaster-Carr. Unless maybe if Halliburton sold them. Link to comment
flyingreg Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I need some new crush washers for my Gear and Final Drive plugs. Ditto for the Oil plug too. Many people never replace a washer unless it is leaking, and I'm one of them. Lots of discussion on this THREAD. Happy wrenching! Link to comment
Nevets Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Use caution if you obtain a kit of crush washers from a BMW dealer. I think I saw someone else post about this issue. Even though I specifically indicated that the washers were for a 2003RT, the small bag they sold me had the wrong sizes in it. Fortunately I had bought two sets, so I had enough to complete the transmission and rear drive lube change. Could be they have the part numbers messed up or something… Link to comment
Joe Frickin' Friday Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I need some new crush washers for my Gear and Final Drive plugs. Ditto for the Oil plug too. I have a 2002 1150RT. Does anyone know what part numbers I need from McMaster Carr online??? Thanks! I checked their site, didn't see aluminum crush washers available. They do have reusable sealing washers (with an O-ring/seal molded into the ID), but I'm not sure what ID's you'd need, and I'm not sure the OD would fit into the machined recesses on the bike. I think my local dealer charges something like 50 cents apiece for the OEM part; last time I was there I bought a fistful of them. Are they more expensive where you are? This place offers O-ring washers and Al crush washers (sorry, still don't have size info for ya), but the crush washers aren't much cheaper than the dealer's price. Link to comment
SAMSAR Posted January 11, 2007 Author Share Posted January 11, 2007 Thanks everyone for the quick replies and research. The McMaster thought was so I could combine it with another order I need to make with them. It does sound like it will easier and no more expensive to buy OEM from the local dealer. I'll stop by tonight. Cheers! Paul Link to comment
SAMSAR Posted January 11, 2007 Author Share Posted January 11, 2007 I need some new crush washers for my Gear and Final Drive plugs. Ditto for the Oil plug too. Many people never replace a washer unless it is leaking, and I'm one of them. Lots of discussion on this THREAD. Happy wrenching! Yes... I agree. I reused them on the last service but I've been noticing not so much a "leak" as a dampness near the gear drive plug area which is collecting grime. Now that it's finally gotten cold here in the Northeast, I figured I change them out. Thanks! Link to comment
RPG Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 go to your local BMW dealer and tell them you need all three sizes except the smallest. they're about $.10 each. I usually order 10 of each in all four sizes as I have a couple of older Airheads too. Those will last a couple of years. Rick Link to comment
KMG_365 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 My dealer (about a mile away) is now charging $1.25 each for the I.D.: 14mm, 16mm and 18mm standard stupid aluminum crush washers! You've got to be kidding me! I guess I'll put in my application for the cheapass club mentioned in the other thread, cause with two bikes and 60K miles a year, I go through crush washers pretty dang quick. I've looked on the net but can't seem to find all three sizes from one source that aren't too big an O.D. for the R1150RT. I seem to remember paying 0.10-0.15 each, but I guess that wasn't paying to keep the lights on. I'm getting pretty fed up with this sort of crap. It's hard to throw your loyalty behind any company that continually redesigns their product to try to take it out of the shadetree mechanic's hands. Link to comment
Carnadero Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Unless maybe if Halliburton sold them. Link to comment
BluegrassPicker Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 >>>My dealer (about a mile away) is now charging $1.25 each for the I.D.:<<<< Two words: Beer Can Link to comment
smiller Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Unless maybe if Halliburton sold them. Funny, except when you stop and think you really pays Halliburton's bills. Back to crush washers, they seem to range from .33 to .42 at Chicago BMW, so it would seem that among the prices listed above .10 is a gift and $1.25 is a ripoff. Link to comment
Carnadero Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Funny, except when you stop and think you really pays Halliburton's bills. Only if they're performing government contract work. Link to comment
R1100Ron Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 A friend of mine who owns a European auto parts business got me a bagful of the ones for the oil drain plug for next to nothing. He can probably get all the rest if you know the sizes. If someone can post them up I'll ask him. Or if you want, call him. Texas Automotive Performance/VPI Parts. 1-800-303-6544. Ask for Jon. Link to comment
KMG_365 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 A friend of mine who owns a European auto parts business got me a bagful of the ones for the oil drain plug for next to nothing. He can probably get all the rest if you know the sizes. If someone can post them up I'll ask him. Or if you want, call him. Texas Automotive Performance/VPI Parts. 1-800-303-6544. Ask for Jon. For the R1150RT: Final Drive (fill and drain): 2qty: I.D.: 14mm O.D.: 18mm Thickness: 1.2-1.5mm (and about 2mm wide) Engine oil (drain): 1qty: I.D.: 16mm O.D.: 20mm Thickness: 1.2-1.5mm (and about 2mm wide) Transmission (fill and drain): 2qty: I.D.: 18mm O.D.: 22mm Thickness: 1.2-1.5mm (and about 2mm wide) Since I do oil every 6k miles and tranny and final drive every 12k miles on two bikes (at about 30k miles a year) I go through almost a dozen of each size every year. For a reasonable price, I'd be happy to order them by the gross! Link to comment
keithb Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Jamie Do you know if the crush washers for the 1150 are the same for the 1200? If so, I would be happy to go in with you and order some on a bulk purchase. Link to comment
SAMSAR Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 I'm with Jamie... If you can get them, I'll buy them by the gross. If nothing else I can hand them out as party favors at the next tech day. I paid .60 and 1.00 each at the dealer today and I'm not very confident he gave me the right ones either. Thanks for the sizes Jamie. Link to comment
KMG_365 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Jamie Do you know if the crush washers for the 1150 are the same for the 1200? If so, I would be happy to go in with you and order some on a bulk purchase. Here's what I found off the fiches: R1150RT: Engine oil: GASKET RING . . . A16X20 . . . 07119963252 . . . $0.33 Tranny: GASKET RING . . . A18X22 . . . 07119963300 . . . $0.33 Final Drive: GASKET RING . . . A14X18 . . . 07119963200 . . . $0.22 (note the prices! ) 2004-06 R1200RT: Engine oil: . . . GASKET RING . . . A16X20 . . . 07119963252 . . . $0.33 (Final Drive . . . O-RING . . . 11.2X1.8 . . . 07119904690 . . . ENDED) Final Drive: . . . O-RING . . . 11.2X1.8 . . . 33117695219 Tranny: SCREW PLUG WITH GASKET RING . . . M18X1.5 . . . 23117678502 So it looks like only the engine oil is common and that the tranny may have gone back to the screw plug with integral crush washer type as found on some earlier R1100RT's. I could not find a part for the tranny crush washer, but I don't have a hexhead, so I'll defer to someone who has done this to confirm sizes. Link to comment
OlGeezer Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Here's what I found off the fiches: R1150RT: Engine oil: GASKET RING . . . A16X20 . . . 07119963252 . . . $0.33 Tranny: GASKET RING . . . A18X22 . . . 07119963300 . . . $0.33 Final Drive: GASKET RING . . . A14X18 . . . 07119963200 . . . $0.22 (note the prices! ) Crap! I just checked my receipts! I was charged $0.79/each for all of those dang crush washers. At 24k miles per year (now I know why I can't catch you in miles), I'm throwing away a ghastly $5.96 per year! That's obcene! Where did you find those prices? Let's buy them out! I need enough to go with my 36 Fram oil filters! Link to comment
Davis Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Chicago BMW Engine oil: GASKET RING . . . A16X20 . . . 07119963252 . . . $0.42 Tranny: GASKET RING . . . A18X22 . . . 07119963300 . . . $0.42 Final Drive: GASKET RING . . . A14X18 . . . 07119963200 . . . $0.33 Hammersley Engine oil: GASKET RING . . . A16X20 . . . 07119963252 . . . $0.30 Tranny: GASKET RING . . . A18X22 . . . 07119963300 . . . $0.50 Final Drive: GASKET RING . . . A14X18 . . . 07119963200 . . . $0.20 Link to comment
smiller Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 And in case anyone is wondering, the parts for the 1100 are (not surprisingly) the same as those Jamie pulled for the 1150. Please count me in on any group buy, BTW. Link to comment
Davis Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 The parts are the same but the quantities required differ between the 1100 and 1150. The 1100's take 3 14x18(tranny drain and both final drive) and 1 18x22 for the tranny fill. The 1150's take 2 14x18 for the final drive and 2 18x22 for the tranny. Link to comment
elwoodpone Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Jamie Here's what I found off the fiches: I know you get pearls from oysters, but washers from fiches?? Link to comment
smiller Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 The 1100's take 3 14x18(tranny drain and both final drive) and 1 18x22 for the tranny fill. Yes, plus one 16x20 for the engine oil drain plug. To sum it up (for the 1100): (Quan 1) Trans fill: 18x22, p/n 07119963300 (Quan 1) Oil drain: 16x20, p/n 07119963252 (Quan 3) Trans drain, FD drain, FD fill: 14x18, p/n 07119963200 Link to comment
NoHeat Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Hammersley Engine oil: GASKET RING . . . A16X20 . . . 07119963252 . . . $0.30 Tranny: GASKET RING . . . A18X22 . . . 07119963300 . . . $0.50 Final Drive: GASKET RING . . . A14X18 . . . 07119963200 . . . $0.20 Thanks, Davis. It's good to know that. So in 6000 miles, operating costs might include: $400 fuel $300 tires $30 oil and filter $1 crush washers Crush washers represent about 0.1% of operating costs. So why all the fuss on this thread over crush washers and their devastating effect on customer loyalty driving a need for (verbotten) group buys? Link to comment
russell_bynum Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 So why all the fuss on this thread? The cheapest part of a BMW is the rider. Link to comment
KMG_365 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Crush washers represent about 0.1% of operating costs. So why all the fuss on this thread over crush washers and their devastating effect on customer loyalty driving a need for (verbotten) group buys? I figure in the savings on crush washers (about $40.00 annually . . . and what price the peace of mind! ) I'll pay for either another night in a hotel on the road, or my new metal fuel line quick disconnects in just a few years! Oh, and Seth, this is not a group buy. I was just asking about an alternative source and stocking up for my personal use. Link to comment
smiller Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Oh, and Seth, this is not a group buy.Yes, I know, perish the thought. Must have lost my head... Link to comment
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