Lineareagle Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Ok so I know what atgatt is, but I looked it up on Wikipedia anyway and ran into this informative little article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATGATT I thought it might generate some interest, discussion and awareness. A good round of issues we should all be cognizant of, COGITO. Ride safe, ride well. Link to comment
tallman Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Shouldn't Principal Skinner get credit for ATGATT? Link to comment
Mike O Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I thought it might generate some interest, discussion and awareness. Oh, it will... Regards, Mike O Link to comment
Francois_Dumas Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 We are aware .... we are VERY aware...... Link to comment
Ben_Ricci Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 The person in the "Personal Protective Equipment" photo is wearing running shoes. That's AATGATT (AlmostATGATT). Link to comment
Ron_B Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 The person in the "Personal Protective Equipment" photo is wearing running shoes. Link to comment
Lineareagle Posted January 3, 2007 Author Share Posted January 3, 2007 The person in the "Personal Protective Equipment" photo is wearing running shoes. That's AATGATT (AlmostATGATT). Can you believe that photo? How about the bungee snag on the pillion as well! Looks like GAATGATT - gag almost atgatt OK who is going to edit this for Wikipedia? Link to comment
Lets_Play_Two Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 The person in the "Personal Protective Equipment" photo is wearing running shoes. That's AATGATT (AlmostATGATT). Can you believe that photo? How about the bungee snag on the pillion as well! Looks like GAATGATT - gag almost atgatt OK who is going to edit this for Wikipedia? That's the trouble with this crowd....distracted by the pretty pictures. Link to comment
Joe Frickin' Friday Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 The person in the "Personal Protective Equipment" photo is wearing running shoes. Hard to tell, but is there any knee armor in his pantaloons? They just look like plain ol' black jeans from here. Link to comment
bakerzdosen Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 See, and I thought that it was sorta odd that in the MSF pic, they had to have padded baricades and then a barbed wire topped fence to keep them from escaping... Those padded baricades would have been really nice to have for the girl that hopped the curb and ran into the chain-link fence in our class. Link to comment
ShovelStrokeEd Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 A good round of issues we should all be cognizant of, COGITO. Cogito ergo tutti fruiti! Link to comment
Boffin Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 The person in the "Personal Protective Equipment" photo is wearing running shoes. That's AATGATT (AlmostATGATT). If you look at the label of any European branded bike gear it will state that it is not PPE. This is because the European Union regulations on PPE would then apply to them with all sorts of implications for insurance, liability, testing, C of Cs for the gear etc. etc. The costs of this would have to be passed onto the purchasers and the purchase price would rocket. Oh, and in Europe PPE must be replaced every two years. Back to the picture - in Europe I see hundreds of riders wearing the uniform of Full helmet (an approved helmet is compulsory throughout Europe) Paddock Jacket, Jeans and running shoes (we call them "trainers"). The other common uniform is full leathers, race boots, race gloves and full helmet with (illegal) dark visor. The BMW uniform is armoured textile jacket (with or without Hi-Viz belts/vests) and trousers, touring boots, touring gloves and flip-front helmet. Cruiser uniform is HD leather Jacket, Jeans, 'cowboy' boots and matt-black 3/4 helmets. All of those come under someones personal definition of ATGATT. What is your personal definition - I bet it is different to mine. Andy Link to comment
Joel Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 What struck me about that wiki was that it nearly ignores the role of rider error, or lack of rider training, as a cause of accidents, particularly their role in most single-vehicle accidents. That seems to miss a pretty big part of the overall safety picture. We can't blame car drivers for all of our risks. With that perspective, I guess it is no surprise, but it is still a disappointment, that there's a far more expansive discussion of protective gear than safety and skills training. Seems to me that the easiest and most important safety enhancements start with the space between the rider's ears, rather than what the rider wears on his/her head, back, hands and feet. Link to comment
Misti Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 What struck me about that wiki was that it nearly ignores the role of rider error, or lack of rider training, as a cause of accidents, particularly their role in most single-vehicle accidents. YA, I was totally going to say that but you beat me too it. So, YA...what he said. Misti Link to comment
Woodie Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Seems to me that the easiest and most important safety enhancements start with the space between the rider's ears, rather than what the rider wears on his/her head, back, hands and feet. Most effective, but NOT the "easiest" safety enhancement. You can't make people learn. DAMHIK Link to comment
TyTass Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 You can lead a horse but you can't make him drink - that is unless you apply high degree of suction twixt its hind quarters. Link to comment
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