bwr Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 ... by the annoying whining of the servo-assisted brakes? I don't hear it when riding; but, when stopped at a light on an incline and I have to apply the brakes to keep from rolling away the high-pitched "whirrrrrrrrrr" is obnoxious. Maybe I just like complaining. Link to comment
David Sharpe Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 My kids speak with a high pitched whine. I've learned to ignore it. Link to comment
David Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 Julie and I were on Jamie's borrowed RT on Nacimiento-Ferguson Rd., just off the Pacific Coast Highway. It was rainy and we were surrounded by deep fog. As we decended this steep hill, we saw a deer in the distance. I stopped, turned the engine off, and took this shot (sorry--crappy camera): I wanted to get closer, so I turned the power on without starting the engine (it's the only way to have decent brakes on an 1150). Unfortunately the dang servos made so much noise that eventually the deer looked our way with those big ears. Argh. Link to comment
Paul Mihalka Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 ... by the annoying whining of the servo-assisted brakes? I don't hear it when riding; but, when stopped at a light on an incline and I have to apply the brakes to keep from rolling away the high-pitched "whirrrrrrrrrr" is obnoxious.If that's the biggest problem you have, you are doing good... Link to comment
tobyzusa Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Those aren't brakes, its an 1150 dentist drill . Link to comment
Martyn Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Start worrying when you don't hear it............. Link to comment
Mulepick Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Never thought I'd be glad to ONLY have the complexity of my 1100. Hell, these brakes work too well now, can't imagine servo assist. Must be like milking a nervous mouse. Bob Link to comment
wilsons Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Yea I've caught myself wondering some days, 'umm can i just turn that off?'. Think of it as a feature or characteristic. I've found that most people are amazed at what that sound is. That part is pretty entertaining. "uhh whats that noise?" 'oh this? "squeeze" "whrrrr", oh, well, thats the manual mechanical module computerized control system'. "huh?" 'The breaks' Link to comment
philbytx Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 That's the breaks with EVO isn't it... Link to comment
Tank Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I don't hear the servos with Al's ear molds. I lived in Maine for awhile and a train whent past every morning at 3:15. Bothered me for awhile, than a funny thing happened, I stopped hearing it......unless it was late Link to comment
Huzband Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I'm kinda entertained by the whirlygig gyromotor dooflunky. If I get bored at a long light,I'll give the lever a squeeze just to hear it. But then,I'm easily amused. Link to comment
UberXY Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I wear a helmet and therefore cannot hear the servo directly, but I did notice the other day that while riding in a dense forest area and losing my XM signal, my Autocom picked up a whine everytime I put on the brakes. As for scaring away deer, I would view that as a positive feature. Link to comment
BMWJOHN Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Be glad you can hear the servo. After 40 years as a sheetmetal worker the noise dosn't seem to bother me. Link to comment
bwr Posted June 8, 2006 Author Share Posted June 8, 2006 Unfortunately the dang servos made so much noise that eventually the deer looked our way with those big ears. Wouldn't it be great if the noisy servo frightened off all deer so that we didn't have to worry about hitting them?! Link to comment
hcmiller92 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 ... by the annoying whining of the servo-assisted brakes? I don't hear it when riding; but, when stopped at a light on an incline and I have to apply the brakes to keep from rolling away the high-pitched "whirrrrrrrrrr" is obnoxious. Maybe I just like complaining. I just got a new R1150GSA. My '96 RT didn't have the servo. I was a little surprised when I first heard the noise after I picked up the bike last week. I love the noise (and the bike). Curt Link to comment
Ken H. Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Unfortunately the dang servos made so much noise that eventually the deer looked our way with those big ears. I know you're no fan of BMW servo assisted brakes David, but that's weak man, weak. Link to comment
SpaceKing Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 Must be like milking a nervous mouse. Link to comment
lithoman Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 whirlygig gyromotor dooflunky now thats funny Link to comment
russell_bynum Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 ... by the annoying whining of the servo-assisted brakes? I don't hear it when riding; but, when stopped at a light on an incline and I have to apply the brakes to keep from rolling away the high-pitched "whirrrrrrrrrr" is obnoxious. Maybe I just like complaining. Hmmm...I never noticed it on Lisa's RS or my RT. Maybe you've got a defective bike? Link to comment
Haynes Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 I hear it but I don't worry about it. Get some speakers in the helmet and crank up the volume. Link to comment
Ken H. Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 Hmmm...I never noticed it on Lisa's RS or my RT. Maybe you've got a defective bike? Now Russell, that's just plain mean! (OP - His and Lisa's bike doesn't have the servo brakes.) Link to comment
chasgrips45 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 I owned a 04 R1150RT ,sold it because the damn servos were aggraveted me so much,who needs "power brakes" on a motorcycle? I`ve got a 96 R1100rs ,with abs ,it works ,is not intrusive,& I`m a happy camper. BMW gave us a solution to a question unasked!IMHO. Link to comment
Paul Mihalka Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 I owned a 04 R1150RT ,sold it because the damn servos were aggraveted me so much,who needs "power brakes" on a motorcycle? I won't discuss your taste and opinion, you have a right to them - but why did you buy it in the first place? Link to comment
1216 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 I kind of like it...sort of has that Star Wars thing going for it. Link to comment
rjg1 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 I can play little songs at stop lights by varying pressure ont he level. Cagers really enjoy the sounds .. Link to comment
russell_bynum Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 Hmmm...I never noticed it on Lisa's RS or my RT. Maybe you've got a defective bike? Now Russell, that's just plain mean! (OP - His and Lisa's bike doesn't have the servo brakes.) Link to comment
powerman Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 I can play little songs at stop lights by varying pressure ont he level. Cagers really enjoy the sounds .. I do the same thing. It's like revving the throttle but quieter. Quiet servos saves lives Link to comment
1216 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 I understand chicks dig the "servo-sound". Link to comment
Mulepick Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 I understand chicks dig the "servo-sound". Dang! Now I want a servo on my 1100! Only if it costs over $200 though. Anybody make any billet servos with cooling fins? How do I wire it? Do I need a relay for my servo. What button is best to make it work and how do I wire that? Hey Chas. What's up w the "Thud" avatar? Bob Link to comment
wolcott Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 1)Why do they use the word "evo" in conjunction with the servo-assisted brakes? I always thought that was a Harley word. 2)I don't want to start a war, but what specifically is it about the newer bikes with the servos that people hate? I thought I had read some posts where the rider complained about the ABS kicking in after going over a bump, things like that? Link to comment
wilsons Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 I kind of like it...sort of has that Star Wars thing going for it. The ST looks like something out of Star Wars too And actually if you look at the brochure for the ST, and yes I actually have one.. in the umm... safe, heh. Mind you I lead a perfectly normal life Anyway, there is a picture in it that reminds me of the Alien, or something. heehee (sorry bout the hijack!) Link to comment
GlennW Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 I hate the noise, and I really hate the abruptness of the brakes. I had hoped I would get used to it, but after 9 months and 4K miles, I still hate the brakes and see no reason for them. GW Link to comment
Huzband Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 I wish you guys would quit whining about stuff that doesn't matter,and just ride. Sheesh! Link to comment
Kevo Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 I may be a little slow, but isn't the reason for the brakes to slow down or stop on occasion? I've been known to drag my feet though. Link to comment
MachineJoe Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 i enjoy it so much that I've routed the beautiful sound thru my speakers and "cranked-it-up" It sounds sweeter than a V-twin with no exhaust (uh hum ..... if you like that kinda thing) Link to comment
Eschelon1 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Yea, it gets a little bothersome but at least I know they're working. When people ask, I tell 'em it's a "Robo Bike" Link to comment
Haynes Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Are you whining about the whining??? Link to comment
photojournalyst Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Please correct me for my ignorance, but what are the benifits of having the servo assisted over the regular old fashioned brakes? And is this an add on you pay for, or something that all the new bikes have? Link to comment
Ken H. Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Servo power assisted brakes have been standard on most BMW bikes since 2002. ISFA the benefits (or lack of) I'm not even going to go there myself today. People probably argues the same thing about power brakes on cars in 1954. Link to comment
David Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 People probably argues the same thing about power brakes on cars in 1954. That was a cheap shot, especially under the guise of "not me, I'm above all this; I'm not going to argue." In your spare time at work this morning, do a little calculation for me, charting the correlation between vehicle weight and available body strength. Next, show me how BMW motorcycles compare in stopping distances with other bikes that do not utilize "power brakes." And next time, if you aren't going to get into an argument, don't get into an argument. Link to comment
SAAB93driver Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 As I understand the integral and partially integral brakes from some of the original literature one thing that it will do is real time optimize the front/rear braking proportions based on load in order to minimize stopping distance. Whether that translates into any significant real world improvement in the hands of the everyday rider is unknown to me but the theory at least is sound and a comparison would be useful. Link to comment
photojournalyst Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Having the optimal balance between front and rear brakes makes perfect sense to me, but there would be a learning curve on using the foot pedal and having the front brake activate. I suppose then it would also make sense if you have anti-locks. Link to comment
Ken H. Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 People probably argues the same thing about power brakes on cars in 1954. That was a cheap shot, especially under the guise of "not me, I'm above all this; I'm not going to argue." In your spare time at work this morning, do a little calculation for me, charting the correlation between vehicle weight and available body strength. Next, show me how BMW motorcycles compare in stopping distances with other bikes that do not utilize "power brakes." And next time, if you aren't going to get into an argument, don't get into an argument. Sorry, didn't mean to come off quite that harsh. My point being that with every new technology, there is aways a certain chorus of how stupid and senseless it is. Right now we're in that phase on motorcycles. New technology that some people go bah-humbug to, some people embrace. Link to comment
Blue Beemer Dude Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 I owned a 04 R1150RT ,sold it because the damn servos were aggraveted me so much,who needs "power brakes" on a motorcycle? I won't discuss your taste and opinion, you have a right to them - but why did you buy it in the first place? Hey - I had a 96 and then later bought an '04. Didn't realize how STUPID the EVO brakes were until I had owned and ridden it a while. STUPID. The original brakes worked just fine, yes the ABS made a stupid clunky noise everytime you started out, but this EVO crap is for the birds. Did I mention that I think they're stupid? And for what? So that they can over-complicate the maintenance on these things? IMHO if your wrists are so weak that you can't operate a hand lever, you shouldn't be riding a motorcycle anyway. This is the STUPIDEST thing BMW has done to their motorcycles since... since.. argh. EVER. Sometimes I don't make myself very clear. Maybe you can tell that I don't like them? However, I do like the other improvements made to the RT, and so for now I am putting up with these annoying stupid over-engineered semi-electrically enhancement mechanical monstrosities and keeping the bike. And I don't like them on the LT either. I had a '99 LT before this one, and it stopped just fine without this crap on it. Argh. Oh, and hey, to the originator of this thread - yes, I wear ear plugs all the time (part of my personal ATGATT) and I can still hear that stupid pump whining and yes it does annoy me a little but so does the huge "WHAM" noise that you get putting the truck into gear. Or changing gears. Good lord, one would almost be tempted to buy loud pipes just to drown out all the noises from these things! Michael * * not a fan of the EVO brake system Link to comment
bwr Posted June 14, 2006 Author Share Posted June 14, 2006 Hey, Michael -- why don't you just let go and tell us how you really feel! When I posed the question and started this thread, it was half in jest. I really didn't intend to get folks riled up. Sorry 'bout that. It is interesting, however, to see how divided everybody is on this issue. Link to comment
russell_bynum Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Please correct me for my ignorance, but what are the benifits of having the servo assisted over the regular old fashioned brakes? I think the official word from BMW is that it lets the system get up to max pressure faster. Personally, I don't buy that. Personally...I think the servos are necessary to support the linking/integration feature. Since the system is electronically controlled and supposedly makes some "intelligent" decisions about how much of which brake to apply, having the system pressure controlled by the bike's servos instead of the user's inputs makes sense. Now...there's a whole different debate about the linking. If you determine that linking isn't necessary, then the servos probably don't make any sense either. Link to comment
twilmotte Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Servo sounds don't bother me because I don't hear them when I'm riding (and listening to my tunes in my helmet speakers), but I am curious about what the acronym "EVO" stands for. I know "EVO" is a common term for the Harley Evolution engine. Can anyone educate me on the BMW meaning of this term? Link to comment
wilsons Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 It is interesting, however, to see how divided everybody is on this issue. I agree! Right now I could care a less about EVO/SERVO/ABS/ESPN/CNN/MSNBC.. oh umm ingore the last few I will probably care however when it costs me money to fix it when it breaks. Link to comment
rfc1992 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 When I purchased my '01 RT, I also was looking at an '02 model. The '02 has much better lighting, more gears, and a bit more "go". I was bothered by the whiny brakes and wondered if something was wrong. Boffin (I think) admonishes us to "fear no EVO" but I had not had that wisdom at the time. The price of the bike scared me off a bit too (a g over what I wanted to pay). I have the '01 and am happy. I used the whine in the '02 as my last excuse, besides dollars, not to buy it. Link to comment
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