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Anyone tried the newest Sena 50 S or R yet.  With the recently announced trade in program on 30K, 20S, and 20S Evo, the itch to try something new was too great to ignore.   Hope to have it early next week.

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TEWKS

Report back! :thumbsup:

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Bernie
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Well I used my Sena 50S last week for the first time. I/we (Ashley/#wahorn) bought a dual pack and we rode on Saturday and used the Mesh feature the first time. We had another #dduelin connected with Bluetooth using his Sena 20S. It was a nice to have no strange noises from the units. No popping or other distorting sounds. 
The range is a fantasy, we where able to stay connected for almost a mile in a straight line before losing the connections. But as soon as we closed up it reconnects with no sounds or pops. 
The battery life using Mesh and Bluetooth is disappointing, maybe 5-6 hours of continuous chatter. We received both lots of alerts that the batteries where getting low, so there would have been plenty of time and opportunities to stop and connect a cable to recharge the batteries. The 20S would give a signal and die almost immediately. 
One thing I noticed is that it connects to both my phone and my Sena SM10 a lot faster then my Sena 20S. 
The new style wheel is taking some time to get used to. 
You may also want to update your firmware first, they had 2 updates last week. 

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TyTass

I was considering the 50S as it reads like a really good unit. I was planning to take advantage of the trade-in rebate of two 30Ks. I was going to upgrade because one of my 30Ks, the one that was replaced last October, has already failed again. Sena is going to take the next few weeks to decide if they will replace it because I'm just over the cusp of a 6 month warrantee of a replacement unit. I didn't quite get 2 years from the purchase of my original 30K.   

 

The 50S may indeed be a great unit. It has some great features, but after being an early adopter of most of Sena's main BT intercom units (SMH-10, 20S, 30K), and having owned 9 Sena units since 2012 (3 of those being in-warrantee replacements for failed units and 3 other units failing a year out of warrantee) I decided to jump ship, despite the 50S really calling me.  I hope it is indeed all it's cracked up to be. 

 

I just pulled the trigger on the Cardo Packtalk Bold Duo.  I'll write a review of that after I've had a chance to use it in group environment. 

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greiffster

Mmmm. Food for thought. I’m just about to pull the trigger on the 50S and finally update the old 10s. 

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Bernie
2 minutes ago, TyTass said:

I was considering the 50S as it reads like a really good unit. I was planning to take advantage of the trade-in rebate of two 30Ks. I was going to upgrade because one of my 30Ks, the one that was replaced last October, has already failed again. Sena is going to take the next few weeks to decide if they will replace it because I'm just over the cusp of a 6 month warrantee of a replacement unit. I didn't quite get 2 years from the purchase of my original 30K.   

 

The 50S may indeed be a great unit. It has some great features, but after being an early adopter of most of Sena's main BT intercom units (SMH-10, 20S, 30K), and having owned 9 Sena units since 2012 (3 of those being in-warrantee replacements for failed units and 3 other units failing a year out of warrantee) I decided to jump ship, despite the 50S really calling me.  I hope it is indeed all it's cracked up to be. 

 

I just pulled the trigger on the Cardo Packtalk Bold Duo.  I'll write a review of that after I've had a chance to use it in group environment. 

 

I can fully understand your position and I have no intentions of telling To recommending to anyone to buy a Sena or a Cardo.

I also do not use these units the way most people like to use them. I only pair them with the WetHead RT through a Bluetooth dongle to receive my GPS/Music & Radar Detector Signals. BMW decided to wire internally the GPS sound output into the on-board stereo system. That is why the Nav6 can not play music or receive phone calls when mounted in the factory cradle of a WetHead RT. It is a different story with other WetHeads.

And I also pair direct to my iPhone 7 for phone calls only. I don’t do Spotify, Pandora or ITunes or other sources of music or entertainment (books on tape or Pod casts).

The only reason I am sticking with Sena, is because a few of the local guys (NE-FL Rednecks) have Sena units, otherwise I could care less. The other reason I stuck with Sena is because Cardo will not give me a straight answer about being able to pair my Bluetooth dongle with their Packtalk Bold, and I don’t want to experiment around.

As for the 30K, Sena told me upfront that it will not do the multitasking I needed and which the 20S did. That is why I never upgraded to the 30K.

What has been nice side effect is that the ONE time I used Mesh, it was a clear and silent connection. No constant static or popping sounds, like with Bluetooth on the Sena 20S units. Now that was with a group of 2, who knows what will happen when there are more units connected.

Just my 0.01 cents worth. :)

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Bernie
13 minutes ago, greiffster said:

Mmmm. Food for thought. I’m just about to pull the trigger on the 50S and finally update the old 10s. 

The Cardo has a longer and maybe better track record, as the 50S units have only been released a few weeks ago.

Besides most board members are switching, which could be a benefit for START/FART/UnRally.

Just saying.

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Rockosmith
9 hours ago, TEWKS said:

Report back! :thumbsup:

Will do.  Currently happy with my 20S Evo so I hope this truly is an upgrade.

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marcopolo

I just ordered a dual pack of the Sena 50S.  I'm using a Sena 10S now, and also have a second helmet (Neotec II) with a Sena SRL.  I've also had earlier iterations of Sena SMH-10s.  I considered switching to the Cardo Pactalk Bold JBL, but in the end decided to stay with what I knew, and what others I ride with use.  I have no illusions about Sena, warts and all, but when I checked out Cardo on ADVRider, I saw a fair number of folk who aren't satisfied with them either, or with  Cardo's customer service.  And, as we all know, you can easily find lots of critics of Sena, especially of their first attempt at mesh technology (the 30K).  There is no magic solution.  I bought from Bernie's source, a Sena dealer in California who had a very attractive price.

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Skywagon

Hey Bernie....how were the speakers...any better than the 20's

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Bernie
19 minutes ago, Skywagon said:

Hey Bernie....how were the speakers...any better than the 20's

 

Sorry David, I don't know personally, I use earplug speakers.

Ashley said that his speakers where an improvement compared to the 3 year old speakers from the 20S.

The 50 series app lets you adjust the volume level for each function separately. So with a little patience, you should be able to balance out the volume of each function and be able to blend the music or GPS instructions into the Mesh Intercom use.

 

 

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Skywagon

Thanks....tell me how you connect your earplug speakers.  I have a pair of ER 6i's I love, but when I plug them into the 20s EVO they don't work.  Thanks.

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Bernie
1 minute ago, Skywagon said:

Thanks....tell me how you connect your earplug speakers.  I have a pair of ER 6i's I love, but when I plug them into the 20s EVO they don't work.  Thanks.

 

I plug my cable for the ear plug speakers, which i think is a normal 1/8" stereo plug into a straight adapter. This adapter I plug into the front plug of the cradle on either my 20S or my 50S. The reason I use this adapter, is because my ear plug cable has a 90 degree plug and the cradle housing does not let the plug be fully inserted.

I purchased a 3 pack of these adapters from Amazon a few years back.

FosPower (3 Pack) 3.5mm (1/8") Male to Female Stereo Audio Headphone Jack Adapter [Ultra-Slim Design | 4-Conductor TRRS | 24K Gold Plated Connector] for Phones, Tablets, Headphones & Card Readers

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016E5PEXC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Chris K
13 hours ago, Skywagon said:

Thanks....tell me how you connect your earplug speakers.  I have a pair of ER 6i's I love, but when I plug them into the 20s EVO they don't work.  Thanks.

 

  They should work in your 20S, they did in mine. Just make sure that they are plugged in all the way. Otherwise you may have a defective unit. 

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bdfbeemer

There is a very specific way to pair the rt, phone and sena 20s. I can play the bikes system, GPS or music from the phone. I don't use the intercom.

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Indy Dave
On 5/21/2020 at 10:28 PM, Bernie said:

 

I plug my cable for the ear plug speakers, which i think is a normal 1/8" stereo plug into a straight adapter. This adapter I plug into the front plug of the cradle on either my 20S or my 50S. The reason I use this adapter, is because my ear plug cable has a 90 degree plug and the cradle housing does not let the plug be fully inserted.

I purchased a 3 pack of these adapters from Amazon a few years back.

FosPower (3 Pack) 3.5mm (1/8") Male to Female Stereo Audio Headphone Jack Adapter [Ultra-Slim Design | 4-Conductor TRRS | 24K Gold Plated Connector] for Phones, Tablets, Headphones & Card Readers

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016E5PEXC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

An unsaid advantage to Bernie's solution is that with these jack adapters - at least for someone like me :whistle: - is that if you get you helmet on and are all set to go . . . only to realize you forgot to plug in your earbuds! :ohboy: Trying to plug into the recessed jack on the Sena is near impossible with the helmet on. I'd resorted to a 3 inch jack extension to solve this issue, but with the wind buffeting, the 3 inch cables don't last long before developing a short. This would solve both issues! :thumbsup:

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Matts_12GS

I'm following this because I need to move on either updating my 30Ks in a month, or I need to deal with them while all the cool kids are using something else. 

@TyTass made a compelling argument to me, and had me considering the packtalk set. I was an early adopter of the cardo bluetooth back in the 2004-2005 era and hated them. 

After listening to @RightSpin tell his tale of woe in setting up the Packtalk, I'm being extra careful.

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terryofperry

For every person criticizing one and posting the virtues of another, there is a person doing the opposite. My Cardo has not missed a beat in 7 years and they have responded quickly on any questions I have asked. I just upgraded to the Packtalk with no issues setting it up. There will be a learning curve going from Sena to Cardo or from Cardo to Sena, they do things a bit different, neither is perfect, the nature of Bluetooth.

 

Terry

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TyTass
On 5/27/2020 at 10:41 AM, terryofperry said:

For every person criticizing one and posting the virtues of another, there is a person doing the opposite. My Cardo has not missed a beat in 7 years and they have responded quickly on any questions I have asked. I just upgraded to the Packtalk with no issues setting it up. There will be a learning curve going from Sena to Cardo or from Cardo to Sena, they do things a bit different, neither is perfect, the nature of Bluetooth.

 

Terry

 

Agreed. Like everyone, I have my own favorites (BMW is one that comes to mind), but I don't believe one iota in brand loyalty on the part of the consumer.  I want whatever works for me. 

 

I'm happy that others haven't experienced the problems I have with multiple Sena units.  I can't say I'm completely unhappy with Sena service ... just yesterday, the Sena Warrantee department agreed to replace my replacement 30K though it was about 10 days beyond the 6-month warrantee given for a refurbished replacement. So good on them. However, I think it significant that this is my 2nd replacement within the original 2 year warrantee, both having the same problem; Firmware vapor lock. Sena has all but admitted openly they have had a variety problems with the 30Ks, and are striving to get users over to the 50S/R ASAP.   As I've said, I hope the 50 series performs better for all who buy them.

 

And as far as the Packtalk Bold, what a complete cinch to set up, though unit registration in their "Community" webpage is a bit dumb, but that is going away soon. So far testing between two units in the house has been stupid easy. This weekend I hope to put the units to a real test.  

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Bernie

Bluetooth headsets are like tires and motor oil. No-one has the same experiences.

Back when the 30K unit was new, the tech team at Sena told me that the 30K would not do what I wanted to do and that I better stay with my 20S. 

 

 

 

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Indy Dave

:stir:

 

My Sena 50S arrived today and updated without out issue. I must say, I'm tempering my enthusiasm and I was tempted by the Cardo. @terryofperry has been deep in the Cardo camp and has made a compelling case - as have others. While I don't believe that either the Cardo or the Sena will be without their issues - in the end it comes down to what the folks you ride with most are using.

 

In my case - that means a very innocent and loose discussion about Bluetooth coms suddenly went sideways when @Bernie :4296:confessed that he went with the 50S and The Tipping Point was reached. What's even more remarkable is that I had stopped using my Sena 20s all together and had reverted back to hard wires and a preamp, taking after Kinsley. And I've been quite happy with this setup. EXCEPT - the safety issue.

 

So in typical fashion, The Bumbling BackRoad Riders™ will be Bumbling along (like always) with a divided house. :5590:

 

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Bernie

@Indy Dave, glad to hear it hasn't been any trouble getting the 50S out of the shipping container.

 

:4322:

Just heard from @wahorn, he can pair his 50S to his GPS (Zumo 595) with no problems. But he can only pair the iPhone to the GPS. He can play his music, listen to instructions and receive phone calls through the GPS. But he can't pair the Sena 50S to the phone and the GPS at the same time.

This is what I used to have with the 20S also. So no new information or changes there.

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Indy Dave

The 50s music audio quality and or helmet speakers are vastly improved over the 20s. :18:

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Indy Dave
9 hours ago, Bernie said:

@Indy Dave, glad to hear it hasn't been any trouble getting the 50S out of the shipping container.

 

:4322:

Just heard from @wahorn, he can pair his 50S to his GPS (Zumo 595) with no problems. But he can only pair the iPhone to the GPS. He can play his music, listen to instructions and receive phone calls through the GPS. But he can't pair the Sena 50S to the phone and the GPS at the same time.

This is what I used to have with the 20S also. So no new information or changes there.

 

I'm not sure I follow? What functions is he missing or looking for?

 

I've paired the 50s to my phone and GPS and they remain pair concurrently. In my setup - I'm playing audio through my phone (via the Sena 50s) and my GPS is pared as a GPS and I'm making and receiving calls through the GPS.

 

Unit Pairing:

GPS (Zumo 595): paired to Android Phone and Sena

Android: Paired to Sena and GPS

Sena: Paired to Android Phone and GPS (using the GPS pairing sequence).

 

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marcopolo

I'll have to try my pairing again, like Indy Dave's.  I have my 50S paired to my iPhone and to my Nav VI GPS (pairing it as a GPS, as per Sena's User Guide).  However, if I then pair my iPhone to the Nav VI, in order to use the Garmin SmartLink App for weather radar and traffic, it screws up the phone/Sena pairing, such that I can't access Siri, nor does the Sena 50S utility app on the phone work.

 

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Matts_12GS
15 minutes ago, marcopolo said:

I'll have to try my pairing again, like Indy Dave's.  I have my 50S paired to my iPhone and to my Nav VI GPS (pairing it as a GPS, as per Sena's User Guide). 

Are you on a GS or RT?  TFT?

 

I have my iPhone X paired to my nav6

I have my Sena (30k currently) paired to the nav 6 also.  

 

Music from the phone.

Calls through GPS.

 

I can hear music, routing instructions and sometimes have issues with calls.  

 

I pair headset to GPS then phone to GPS.

 

I'm hoping to have better multitasking with the 50

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BamaJohn
21 hours ago, Bernie said:

But he can only pair the iPhone to the GPS.

I just installed my 50S late yesterday and got both iPhone and Nav6 paired without a hitch.  Paired the iPhone 1st, then (using the info from the owner's manual, not the quick start guide) paired the Nav6 as "GPS pairing" instructions recommend.   Both phone and gps confirmed they were connected, and I'll make sure both work during a ride today.

 

UPDATE:  both worked as usual today.  Intercom pairing tomorrow.

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marcopolo
1 hour ago, Matts_12GS said:

Are you on a GS or RT?  TFT?

 

I have my iPhone X paired to my nav6

I have my Sena (30k currently) paired to the nav 6 also.  

 

Music from the phone.

Calls through GPS.

 

I can hear music, routing instructions and sometimes have issues with calls.  

 

I pair headset to GPS then phone to GPS.

 

I'm hoping to have better multitasking with the 50

 

I'm on a 2015 GSA, so no TFT.  I have an iPhone X and a Nav VI.  I switched from a Nav V to a VI, because I want to use the VI as a "hub", but it never seemed to work as advertised, so I gave up trying.

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Matts_12GS

My 2013 GS is similar.  I haven't been happy with the phone operation, although, everything else has been great.   

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13 hours ago, Indy Dave said:

 

I'm not sure I follow? What functions is he missing or looking for?

 

I've paired the 50s to my phone and GPS and they remain pair concurrently. In my setup - I'm playing audio through my phone (via the Sena 50s) and my GPS is pared as a GPS and I'm making and receiving calls through the GPS.

 

Unit Pairing:

GPS (Zumo 595): paired to Android Phone and Sena

Android: Paired to Sena and GPS

Sena: Paired to Android Phone and GPS (using the GPS pairing sequence).

 

 

What Ashley found out today is that he had HD Intercom turned on, which will turn of Multitasking.

After turning on Multitasking, he was able to have music, music control of the phone and GPS directions during a Mesh/Bluetooth Intercom session.

He uses a Zumo 590/595 and can control his iPhones music apps through the GPS screen.

@marcopolo,it should work for your setup also, since the Nav6 works in a GS very similar to a Zumo 590/595. You may have to play with the bluetooth settings in the GPS. Also check your settings in the Sena 50S App. There are a lot more features and options then on the older headsets.

 

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