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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/we-got-our-clocks-cleaned-gop-quietly-works-to-expand-ballot-harvesting-in-california-while-criticizing-democrats-for-the-practice/2019/03/13/a432d902-41b7-11e9-922c-64d6b7840b82_story.html

 

 

what's good for the goose....

 

I guess...  

 

but ballot harvesting is not an issue?  right? 

 

I guess the R's learned their lesson in orange county, huh?  

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lawnchairboy
21 hours ago, Selden said:

 

I would not consider the Gateway Pundit a reliable news source:

"Overall, we rate The Gateway Pundit Questionable based on extreme right wing bias, promotion of conspiracies and numerous instances of publishing false (fake) news." 

 

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However, Gateway Pundit does rate slightly higher than Alex Jones' InfoWars.

 

So no comment I guess on either story? 

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Rougarou
41 minutes ago, realshelby said:

Nope, didn't say that at all. Those are your words not mine. 

 

From voter fraud to fake news to everyone Trump hires is worthless to everyone else should be blamed for this or that. That and more is the tale of the Republican Party today. I have distanced myself from that. Not that I won't vote Republican, I do when they are the best candidate. But Trump is ruining the standards that built this country. Too many follow him blindly. No one would be worrying about voter fraud if Mitt Romney had run and won the election. All a bunch of shadow games and diversion tactics. 

 

As I previously stated, Voter ID is not something new.

 

"While voter ID has been one of the hottest topics in elections policy for the last several years, its legacy extends back to 1950."

 

"In the 2000s, voter ID as an issue began to take center stage. The Commission on Federal Election Reform (aka the Carter-Baker Commission), in 2005 made a bipartisan recommendation for voter identification at the polls."

 

It's not a blind following, it's the getting away from the "presidential" mentality that "all" must be pleased rather than doing for the greater good of the country (people will get pissed).  In what I see, I think that's the "Trump Aura".  Is he perfect, hell no, not even close, but he's also not playing the "I'll be nice to you because that's how I'm supposed to be".  Some of the crap that he says makes me cringe and go WTF!!!   But, the bottom line, he is my president, just as the one before him and the ones before him.

 

 

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Ydo

Strange arguments about no voter ID and that voter fraud is not a problem and so forth and the Russians elected Trump and...  Let's just keep it simple and just walk in and say I'm John Doe, homeless with no ID and vote and come back and say I'm Doe John and vote again and repeat... as often as I can till someone recognizes I've voted here before and so I now go to another voting area and repeat ...and prove this ever would happen or your a racist and there is no evidence and the New York Times says voting is all legit but we should loosen the hurdle more so more uninterested people can somehow vote and they said again the Russian stole the election.  

 

I come from a Banana Republic country and I would say voting with an ID is not a very high standard.  In addition I would say you also need to register to vote too so you can't vote twice as my niece did while in college and again at home as I found out since registration was waved in college.  Remember one illegitimate vote for an opposing candidate cancels mine.  If Democrats or Republicans want more of the unfortunate citizens to participate they should just help them get the required ID, registered and move on.  If the poor are not capable of getting an ID, I would guess they are too inadequate to get their food stamps and government aid and so forth but somehow that isn't a problem.

 

As for the argument that homeless drug addicts should vote as if reckless voting is a right, citizens should vote after careful evaluation of the candidates and make a conscientious decision not just get dragged off the streets and told to vote this way and you'll get your fix.

 

Arguments for mail-in voting just reek of fraud potential since we are not stupid to think that clever groups can just gather thousands of ballots for those who don't care to vote (for whatever reason, don't like say candidate or whatever ...) and vote for their candidate the group is supporting. Only a group who thinks they will significantly benefit from this would support this.  

 

Voting should have a small hurdle like having official ID and in my opinion showing up to vote. If you can't be bothered or incapacitated than you need an acceptable excuse like hospital illness or military duty away from home or.... not just I'm poor and too stupid to vote in person.  Otherwise your vote should not count.  I'm a minority citizen and can sympathize with those groups but voting with a conscience is too important and one fraud vote could cancel my vote so my voter privilege in essence is denied. 

 

By the way I believe its racist and condescending to condemn minorities as too inadequate to handle these two requirements.

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chrisolson

Arizona requires both a photo ID AND voter registration so no, you can't just walk in and state your name and demand to vote.   In addition, your ID must have an address that matches your registration ... reason ... you can only vote in your precinct.

 

1 hour ago, Ydo said:

Arguments for mail-in voting just reek of fraud potential since we are not stupid to think that clever groups can just gather thousands of ballots for those who don't care to vote (for whatever reason, don't like say candidate or whatever ...) and vote for their candidate the group is supporting. Only a group who thinks they will significantly benefit from this would support this.  

 

 

You're going to have to help me with that ... how does this clever group identify only those who don't care to vote to be able to target them ?  If I don't receive my ballot, for sure I'm on the phone to find out why and get a replacement.

 

Additionally how does this clever group manage to actually gather those ballots?  Ballots are mailed to registered voters via the US Postal System which takes a dim view of mail theft or mail fraud.  Maybe ones or twos out of individual mail boxes if you somehow knew which, but thousands ????

 

Arizona also has a high percentage of residential developments where mail is not delivered individually, but to community boxes in which you have to have a key to gain access to your mail box.   Again, how is this clever group managing to acquire thousands of ballots without someone noticing ? 

 

At least in Arizona, if you are on the official list to receive a mail in ballot, you can not show up in person and vote.  (caveat, you can, but its a "provisional" ballot that only counts when its verified that there was not a mail in ballot filed, so no you can't vote twice ).

 

Lastly, in the 2016 election around 65% of Arizona votes were mail in ballots.  And yet, our current President won Arizona.  How can that be reconciled if mail in ballots are so bad and fraudulent ?

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Rougarou
5 hours ago, chrisolson said:

Arizona requires both a photo ID AND voter registration so no, you can't just walk in and state your name and demand to vote.   In addition, your ID must have an address that matches your registration ... reason ... you can only vote in your precinct.

 

 

 

You're going to have to help me with that ... how does this clever group identify only those who don't care to vote to be able to target them ?  If I don't receive my ballot, for sure I'm on the phone to find out why and get a replacement.

 

Additionally how does this clever group manage to actually gather those ballots?  Ballots are mailed to registered voters via the US Postal System which takes a dim view of mail theft or mail fraud.  Maybe ones or twos out of individual mail boxes if you somehow knew which, but thousands ????

 

Arizona also has a high percentage of residential developments where mail is not delivered individually, but to community boxes in which you have to have a key to gain access to your mail box.   Again, how is this clever group managing to acquire thousands of ballots without someone noticing ? 

 

At least in Arizona, if you are on the official list to receive a mail in ballot, you can not show up in person and vote.  (caveat, you can, but its a "provisional" ballot that only counts when its verified that there was not a mail in ballot filed, so no you can't vote twice ).

 

Lastly, in the 2016 election around 65% of Arizona votes were mail in ballots.  And yet, our current President won Arizona.  How can that be reconciled if mail in ballots are so bad and fraudulent ?

 

It's called ballot harvesting  

 

Here's an opinion from the attorney general of Texas.  (yes, it's Fox, so take it for what it's worth, but it is listed as opinion, I really wished he would have given links to the incidents)

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Warren Dean
7 hours ago, Ydo said:

Strange arguments about no voter ID and that voter fraud is not a problem and so forth and the Russians elected Trump and...  Let's just keep it simple and just walk in and say I'm John Doe, homeless with no ID and vote and come back and say I'm Doe John and vote again and repeat... as often as I can till someone recognizes I've voted here before and so I now go to another voting area and repeat ...and prove this ever would happen or your a racist and there is no evidence and the New York Times says voting is all legit but we should loosen the hurdle more so more uninterested people can somehow vote and they said again the Russian stole the election.  

 

I come from a Banana Republic country and I would say voting with an ID is not a very high standard.  In addition I would say you also need to register to vote too so you can't vote twice as my niece did while in college and again at home as I found out since registration was waved in college.  Remember one illegitimate vote for an opposing candidate cancels mine.  If Democrats or Republicans want more of the unfortunate citizens to participate they should just help them get the required ID, registered and move on.  If the poor are not capable of getting an ID, I would guess they are too inadequate to get their food stamps and government aid and so forth but somehow that isn't a problem.

 

As for the argument that homeless drug addicts should vote as if reckless voting is a right, citizens should vote after careful evaluation of the candidates and make a conscientious decision not just get dragged off the streets and told to vote this way and you'll get your fix.

 

Arguments for mail-in voting just reek of fraud potential since we are not stupid to think that clever groups can just gather thousands of ballots for those who don't care to vote (for whatever reason, don't like say candidate or whatever ...) and vote for their candidate the group is supporting. Only a group who thinks they will significantly benefit from this would support this.  

 

Voting should have a small hurdle like having official ID and in my opinion showing up to vote. If you can't be bothered or incapacitated than you need an acceptable excuse like hospital illness or military duty away from home or.... not just I'm poor and too stupid to vote in person.  Otherwise your vote should not count.  I'm a minority citizen and can sympathize with those groups but voting with a conscience is too important and one fraud vote could cancel my vote so my voter privilege in essence is denied. 

 

By the way I believe its racist and condescending to condemn minorities as too inadequate to handle these two requirements.

 

A well stated argument in a sea of partisan vitriol. Bravo!!

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Paul De
20 hours ago, Rougarou said:

Has there been any right winger that has specifically said that "we want voter ID laws so that minority's and poor cannot vote" in any recent times.

They (Republican pols/operatives) have said they rely on voter suppression and all their efforts seem to disenfranchise the poor and college students.  So, no they are not so dopey to say such things directly....wait, some Republican are that dopey.

 

https://billmoyers.com/2014/10/24/voter-discrimination/

 

Gov. Chris Christie: Same-Day Voter Registration Is a “Trick” and GOP Needs to Win Gubernatorial Races So They Control “Voting Mechanisms”

Fran Millar: Georgia Senator Complains About Polling Place Being Too Convenient for Black Voters

Doug Preis: An Ohio GOP Chair Says We Shouldn’t Accommodate the “Urban — Read African-American — Voter-Turnout Machine”

Greg Abbott: Texas AG Says Partisan Districting Decisions Are Legal, Even if There Are “Incidental Effects” on Minority Voters

Ted Yoho: Only Property Owners Should Vote

Don Yelton: North Carolina GOP Precinct Chair: Voter-ID Law Will “Kick Democrats in the Butt” and Hurt “Lazy Blacks”

 

 

And this one which is near and dear to me as it involves efforts to suppress votes in Wisconsin.  You have to marvel at the hutzpah where Justin gaslights the AP reporter even though they have the audio recording and fully understood that statement in its full context.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/21/trump-adviser-republicans-voter-suppression

 

...Justin Clark, a senior political adviser and senior counsel to Trump’s re-election campaign, made the remarks about voter suppression on 21 November as part of a wide-ranging discussion about strategies in the 2020 campaign, including more aggressive use of monitoring of polling places on election day in November 2020.

“Traditionally it’s always been Republicans suppressing votes in places,” Clark said at the event. “Let’s start protecting our voters. We know where they are ... Let’s start playing offense a little bit. That’s what you’re going to see in 2020. It’s going to be a much bigger program, a much more aggressive program, a much better-funded program.”

 

Asked about the remarks, by the Associated Press, which obtained the audio recording, Clark said he was referring to false accusations that the Republican party engages in voter suppression...

 

 

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chrisolson
3 hours ago, Rougarou said:

 

It's called ballot harvesting  

 

Here's an opinion from the attorney general of Texas.  (yes, it's Fox, so take it for what it's worth, but it is listed as opinion, I really wished he would have given links to the incidents)

 

That its Fox is not a problem ... its on my read list every day ... and yes, links  would be helpful ..


Apparently in Arizona we don't have harvesting groups roaming the countryside ... or they're actually not that clever or Arizona voters are not that gullible ... since again ... with a majority of votes cast by mail in Arizona  ... we generally vote conservative on a local and state level and the current President won the state. 

 

And unfortunately I can't find again the the source of the 2016 numbers, but the current number of voters signed up for mail in ballots is somewhere around 80%  - https://www.azcleanelections.gov/how-to-vote/early-voting/ballot-by-mail so its not so much a stretch to say the earlier number should be within the bounds of reality.

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Rougarou
2 hours ago, Paul De said:

They (Republican pols/operatives) have said they rely on voter suppression and all their efforts seem to disenfranchise the poor and college students.  So, no they are not so dopey to say such things directly....wait, some Republican are that dopey.

 

https://billmoyers.com/2014/10/24/voter-discrimination/

 

Gov. Chris Christie: Same-Day Voter Registration Is a “Trick” and GOP Needs to Win Gubernatorial Races So They Control “Voting Mechanisms”

Fran Millar: Georgia Senator Complains About Polling Place Being Too Convenient for Black Voters

Doug Preis: An Ohio GOP Chair Says We Shouldn’t Accommodate the “Urban — Read African-American — Voter-Turnout Machine”

Greg Abbott: Texas AG Says Partisan Districting Decisions Are Legal, Even if There Are “Incidental Effects” on Minority Voters

Ted Yoho: Only Property Owners Should Vote

Don Yelton: North Carolina GOP Precinct Chair: Voter-ID Law Will “Kick Democrats in the Butt” and Hurt “Lazy Blacks”

 

 

And this one which is near and dear to me as it involves efforts to suppress votes in Wisconsin.  You have to marvel at the hutzpah where Justin gaslights the AP reporter even though they have the audio recording and fully understood that statement in its full context.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/21/trump-adviser-republicans-voter-suppression

 

...Justin Clark, a senior political adviser and senior counsel to Trump’s re-election campaign, made the remarks about voter suppression on 21 November as part of a wide-ranging discussion about strategies in the 2020 campaign, including more aggressive use of monitoring of polling places on election day in November 2020.

“Traditionally it’s always been Republicans suppressing votes in places,” Clark said at the event. “Let’s start protecting our voters. We know where they are ... Let’s start playing offense a little bit. That’s what you’re going to see in 2020. It’s going to be a much bigger program, a much more aggressive program, a much better-funded program.”

 

Asked about the remarks, by the Associated Press, which obtained the audio recording, Clark said he was referring to false accusations that the Republican party engages in voter suppression...

 

 

 

Ya, close and insinuating, but ah hell, ........I got nuthin to come back with that.  Those statements are "leading" and some outright racists.

 

No defense on that,......but,.....even some Democrats, at least use to think, mail in ballots were not the answer.

 

 

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Paul De

Don't get me wrong, I have no illusion that the Dems are not a bunch of scoundrels as well and if given a chance they will gerrymander with the best of them.   Republicans talk about expanding the tent and if they are serious they need to revise policies based on conservative principles that actually help these groups become fully part of the "good economy".  Old white guys like me are a declining demographic and need new blood.   Haha, it sounds just like the motorcycle industry.

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Some comic relief...

 

 

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