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That you were not afforded the opportunity to have or purchase a tampon in the MEN's room?

 

Nothing should amaze me anymore

 

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"While free menstrual products are not uniformly provided in women’s restrooms, they are almost never available in men’s restrooms, even for pay,"

 

Ya think??!!??

 

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"Men who get pregnant and give birth are men,"

 

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"Menstrual equity is a basic equity issue,"

 

What the fuck does that mean?

 

Wicked weird times we be a'livin' in, wicked weird!!!

 

 

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TEWKS

Think of the fun you could have on group rides. Yesterday's banana in the tailpipe, peels pales in comparison to the new and improved "Tampon in the Tailpipe" gag. :D

 

Edit...wonder if they'd double as a giant tire plug? :5146:

 

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Hosstage

The world is going to hell in a hand basket.

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Joe Frickin' Friday
12 hours ago, Living the Dream said:

[Which one of you complained] That you were not afforded the opportunity to have or purchase a tampon in the MEN's room?

 

 

If I had to guess, I'd say it was probably Buck Angel:

 

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Buck is a transgendered male, and although he has had chest reconstruction, he has not undergone surgical genital transition and therefore has the same fully functional female genitalia he was born with.  Currently 57, my guess is he's post-menopausal but he has been a strong advocate for transgender issues, probably including the subject of this thread.  

 

8 hours ago, Hosstage said:

The world is going to hell in a hand basket.

 

It's a big change to get used to, I get it.  But take a look at Buck in that photo up there.  In a public place (e.g. store, restaurant, stadium) with male- and female-designated restrooms, which one do you think Buck (and people like him) ought to use?  If you're married, which bathroom does your spouse think Buck and people like him ought to use?

 

It should come as no surprise that Fox News has narrowed the focus of the ACLU's original advocacy to focus on the one aspect that reliably upsets their viewership - that is, people who don't neatly align with traditional male/female archetypes.  If you read the full ACLU article, you can see that the issue of menstrual equity that they are drawing attention to is far broader than the Fox News article suggests - and in that fuller context, a call for the availability of menstrual products in all public restrooms seems a bit more reasonable.  

 

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Rougarou
1 hour ago, Joe Frickin' Friday said:

 

If I had to guess, I'd say it was probably Buck Angel:

 

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Buck is a transgendered male, and although he has had chest reconstruction, he has not undergone surgical genital transition and therefore has the same fully functional female genitalia he was born with.  Currently 57, my guess is he's post-menopausal but he has been a strong advocate for transgender issues, probably including the subject of this thread.  

 

 

It's a big change to get used to, I get it.  But take a look at Buck in that photo up there.  In a public place (e.g. store, restaurant, stadium) with male- and female-designated restrooms, which one do you think Buck (and people like him) ought to use?  If you're married, which bathroom does your spouse think Buck and people like him ought to use?

 

It should come as no surprise that Fox News has narrowed the focus of the ACLU's original advocacy to focus on the one aspect that reliably upsets their viewership - that is, people who don't neatly align with traditional male/female archetypes.  If you read the full ACLU article, you can see that the issue of menstrual equity that they are drawing attention to is far broader than the Fox News article suggests - and in that fuller context, a call for the availability of menstrual products in all public restrooms seems a bit more reasonable.  

 

 

 

 

With that we must install urinals in female restrooms too, must have urinals in female restrooms.......with all things being equal.

 

'splain that to a five year old daughter why that lady is pissing standing up with a penis.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Joe Frickin' Friday
45 minutes ago, Living the Dream said:

With that we must install urinals in female restrooms too, must have urinals in female restrooms.......with all things being equal.

 

'splain that to a five year old daughter why that lady is pissing standing up with a penis.

 

If you surveyed 100 transgender women who are presenting as female, my guess is that virtually none of them would express a desire to pee standing up, since:

 

A) it's not the conventionally "female" way to do it, and

 

B) they generally don't want to draw attention to their transgender status in public as it can lead to them getting harassed or killed.

 

Moreover, people who pee standing up can get through their day just fine without ever using a urinal.   OTOH, people who are physiologically female sometimes find themselves out in public without the supplies they need to deal with their periods (maybe it came early, or they forgot to restock their purse before leaving the house); having those things available in whatever restroom you end up using can make the difference between having a close call and a really miserable day.

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Rougarou
1 minute ago, Joe Frickin' Friday said:

 

If

 

Key word.

 

With assumptions.

 

 

 

 

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TEWKS
1 hour ago, Living the Dream said:

 

With that we must install urinals in female restrooms too

 

'splain that to a five year old daughter why that lady is pissing standing up with a penis.

 

 

I believe it's more difficult to grasp (no pun) the concept of that problem if you chose not to have children in this lifetime. No skin in the game so to speak. I remember that (choosing not to have children) being a (hot topic) years ago, so no disrespect to anyone who made that choice.

 

It can be a confusing world for adults, never-mind a five, eight, or ten year old.

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Rougarou
43 minutes ago, TEWKS said:

 

I believe it's more difficult to grasp (no pun) the concept of that problem if you chose not to have children in this lifetime. No skin in the game so to speak. I remember that (choosing not to have children) being a (hot topic) years ago, so no disrespect to anyone who made that choice.

 

It can be a confusing world for adults, never-mind a five, eight, or ten year old.

 

Let me re-phrase since we can play the "if" game.....and pushing out ankle biters is a choice.  I no longer have that choice as I'm fixed, so that solves that problem ;)

 

"'splain that to a five year old niece why that lady is pissing standing up with a penis 'cause your brother and his wife died and left the niece to you as the responsible next of kin"

 

 

 

I think I'll identify with species dysmorphia as I feel like an ass sometimes, at least that's what people call me:18:

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TEWKS

I think we're agreeing on this Richard. My typing may have been confusing. Guess the fix will have to be, raise the price of a cheeseburger and have all public places/restaurants add a third bathroom for this segment of the pop.

 

Buck would scare the piss out of me, never-mind a ten year old girl! :D

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Hosstage

I guess I just wasn't made for these times. 

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Rougarou
15 minutes ago, TEWKS said:

I think we're agreeing on this Richard. My typing may have been confusing. Guess the fix will have to be, raise the price of a cheeseburger and have all public places/restaurants add a third bathroom for this segment of the pop.

 

Buck would scare the piss out of me, never-mind a ten year old girl! :D

 

Four bathrooms minimum.

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TEWKS
4 minutes ago, Living the Dream said:

 

Four bathrooms minimum.

 

Yeah, probably. Sorry to hear about your bro & his wife.

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Joe Frickin' Friday
3 hours ago, TEWKS said:

 

I believe it's more difficult to grasp (no pun) the concept of that problem if you chose not to have children in this lifetime.

 

How fortunate, then, that we don't have to grasp the concept of that problem...because it doesn't exist.  There are no urinals in female bathrooms, and nobody is seriously proposing that any be installed.  

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Rougarou
1 hour ago, TEWKS said:

 

Yeah, probably. Sorry to hear about your bro & his wife.

 

No, the bro/wife was a supposition,......should have clarified that,.....they're all alive and kicking.

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Rougarou
34 minutes ago, Joe Frickin' Friday said:

 

How fortunate, then, that we don't have to grasp the concept of that problem...because it doesn't exist.  There are no urinals in female bathrooms, and nobody is seriously proposing that any be installed.  

 

Wait, ........in time,......... someone will request it to have an equity based space.

 

Not long ago, no one would have thought a request for tampon machines in male bathrooms would ever existed.

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TEWKS
2 minutes ago, Living the Dream said:

 

No, the bro/wife was a supposition,......should have clarified that,.....they're all alive and kicking.

 

Glad I got that one wrong! :thumbsup:

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Matts_12GS
39 minutes ago, Joe Frickin' Friday said:

 

How fortunate, then, that we don't have to grasp the concept of that problem...because it doesn't exist.  There are no urinals in female bathrooms, and nobody is seriously proposing that any be installed.  

I think that's a BS approach.  Equality in all facets.  If we're going to mandate access to tampons in all restrooms, then there is no reason to not make sure that all restrooms are created equal.   If the line to the ladies is shorter and I choose to go there, there should be a urinal available too...

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Rougarou
17 minutes ago, Matts_12GS said:

I think that's a BS approach.  Equality in all facets.  If we're going to mandate access to tampons in all restrooms, then there is no reason to not make sure that all restrooms are created equal.   If the line to the ladies is shorter and I choose to go there, there should be a urinal available too...

 

 

Oooo, an Ally McBeal bathroom!!!

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Hosstage

I don't even share the bathroom with my wife, I certainly don't want to share it with other women. Hell, I don't even like sharing it with other guys!

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TEWKS
3 hours ago, Joe Frickin' Friday said:

 

How fortunate, then, that we don't have to grasp the concept of that problem...because it doesn't exist.  

 

See, now I'm confused where Buck would feel comfortable taking a leak. :/ The only problem I see with this is frightening a child who has yet been enlightened in the way of the world. A time and place for that, just like crashing old Saint Nick's sleigh. :grin:

 

Gender neutral bathrooms seem to be the solution for now. With tampons and a urinal. 

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mrduck

They don’t seem to have these issues in Beatty........

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wbw6cos

HA!  The clutch lever flushes the urinal.  Classic.

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beemerboy
12 hours ago, wbw6cos said:

HA!  The clutch lever flushes the urinal.  Classic.

Uuuummm, okay, what does the throttle do, control water flow into the carb, er, I mean urinal? Seriously, this is yet another sign that this country's headed into the shitter.

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gordiet
On 12/19/2019 at 6:06 AM, Joe Frickin' Friday said:

 

If I had to guess, I'd say it was probably Buck Angel:

 

gender-neutral-restroom-1000.thumb.jpeg.833c421d4d7cc84938697c398811174a.jpeg

 

Buck is a transgendered male, and although he has had chest reconstruction, he has not undergone surgical genital transition and therefore has the same fully functional female genitalia he was born with.  Currently 57, my guess is he's post-menopausal but he has been a strong advocate for transgender issues, probably including the subject of this thread.  

 

 

It's a big change to get used to, I get it.  But take a look at Buck in that photo up there.  In a public place (e.g. store, restaurant, stadium) with male- and female-designated restrooms, which one do you think Buck (and people like him) ought to use?  If you're married, which bathroom does your spouse think Buck and people like him ought to use?

 

It should come as no surprise that Fox News has narrowed the focus of the ACLU's original advocacy to focus on the one aspect that reliably upsets their viewership - that is, people who don't neatly align with traditional male/female archetypes.  If you read the full ACLU article, you can see that the issue of menstrual equity that they are drawing attention to is far broader than the Fox News article suggests - and in that fuller context, a call for the availability of menstrual products in all public restrooms seems a bit more reasonable.  
 

This is sick crap! That IT in the picture belongs in a circus side show.

 

 

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Joe Frickin' Friday
On 1/10/2020 at 12:30 PM, gordiet said:

This is sick crap! That IT in the picture belongs in a circus side show.

 

Re: your latter remark, Buck does indeed have an exhibitionist side - but instead of a circus side show, he chose a career in porn, as both an actor and producer.  

 

Re: your former remark, here are some things to ponder.  These aren't intended as "gotcha" logic traps - just food for thought, jumping-off points for exploring how we feel about these things (and why).  

 

What is it about Buck's condition that compels you to label it as "sick"?

  • Is it the mismatch between his masculine body and his genitalia?   It might surprise you to learn that only about 33% of surveyed transgender individuals opt for surgical transition.   Surgery is expensive (not everyone has health insurance, and not every policy covers this surgery), painful, risky, and there's no going back once it's done.  Moreover, the results tend to fall short of what nature provides to cisgendered folks.
  • Suppose Buck had in fact gone through with genital reconstruction surgery, giving him male genitalia that matched the rest of his masculine body.  Would you then no longer regard him as "sick?"
  • Is it the mismatch between his mind and his genitalia?  Given Buck's willingness to appear nude in front of the camera, it seems likely he suffers little or no anxiety due to his present configuration.  In other words, I don't think he considers himself to be "sick".  Moreover, neither does the American Medical Association;  most of the mental distress suffered by transgender folks stems from having to carefully suppress their transgender identity just to get through their daily lives without getting disowned, shunned, evicted, fired, assaulted, or killed.  In other words, for transgender folks, living as their preferred gender is the very thing that is most likely to let them enjoy better mental health.
  • Rosie Lohman is 7 years old.  With two X chromosomes she is genetically female, but she was born intersex - that is, her genitalia have both male and female features, most notably including a penis of sorts.  Her parents opted not to subject her to genital reconstruction surgery - she'll get to choose for herself whether to do so once she becomes an adult.  Is she "sick?"   If so, why?  Most people don't think of a person born with polydactyly or oligodactyly as "sick;" yes, they've got some features that aren't present on a typical human being, but they get on with their lives just fine.  Why do we feel differently when we learn that the configuration of people's genitals don't match what we expect of them?

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taylor1

Probably a cop-out

I do believe there is an exception to every rule
I also believe that just because a goose calls itself a duck , does not make it a duck

 

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Joe Frickin' Friday
15 minutes ago, taylor1 said:

I also believe that just because a goose calls itself a duck , does not make it a duck

 

Fair point.  I will never be Czar of Russia, no matter how big a font I use on my business cards.  :classic_biggrin:

 

So then what does make a duck a duck?  More to the point, what makes a man a man, or a woman a woman?  Is Rosie Lohman a girl, or a boy?  Is Buck Angel a man, or a woman?  If Rosie gets her genitals surgically altered someday, what will she be then?

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TEWKS

Slightly way off topic but, Mel Brooks came up with a foolproof Test to find out if certain under the hood body parts were altered or removed. :grin:

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gordiet
8 hours ago, Joe Frickin' Friday said:

 

Re: your latter remark, Buck does indeed have an exhibitionist side - but instead of a circus side show, he chose a career in porn, as both an actor and producer.  

 

Re: your former remark, here are some things to ponder.  These aren't intended as "gotcha" logic traps - just food for thought, jumping-off points for exploring how we feel about these things (and why).  

 

What is it about Buck's condition that compels you to label it as "sick"?

  • Is it the mismatch between his masculine body and his genitalia?   It might surprise you to learn that only about 33% of surveyed transgender individuals opt for surgical transition.   Surgery is expensive (not everyone has health insurance, and not every policy covers this surgery), painful, risky, and there's no going back once it's done.  Moreover, the results tend to fall short of what nature provides to cisgendered folks.
  • Suppose Buck had in fact gone through with genital reconstruction surgery, giving him male genitalia that matched the rest of his masculine body.  Would you then no longer regard him as "sick?"
  • Is it the mismatch between his mind and his genitalia?  Given Buck's willingness to appear nude in front of the camera, it seems likely he suffers little or no anxiety due to his present configuration.  In other words, I don't think he considers himself to be "sick".  Moreover, neither does the American Medical Association;  most of the mental distress suffered by transgender folks stems from having to carefully suppress their transgender identity just to get through their daily lives without getting disowned, shunned, evicted, fired, assaulted, or killed.  In other words, for transgender folks, living as their preferred gender is the very thing that is most likely to let them enjoy better mental health.
  • Rosie Lohman is 7 years old.  With two X chromosomes she is genetically female, but she was born intersex - that is, her genitalia have both male and female features, most notably including a penis of sorts.  Her parents opted not to subject her to genital reconstruction surgery - she'll get to choose for herself whether to do so once she becomes an adult.  Is she "sick?"   If so, why?  Most people don't think of a person born with polydactyly or oligodactyly as "sick;" yes, they've got some features that aren't present on a typical human being, but they get on with their lives just fine.  Why do we feel differently when we learn that the configuration of people's genitals don't match what we expect of them?

good for Buck! He’s still a sick fxxx. And this is a stupid conversation! It just points out some of the dumb stuff going on in this country.

 

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