Cars..

[roadscholar]

At some point you're going to have to go look and this one might not be a bad place to start. It's got 50 more hp and an extra gear but at least you'd be able to compare the differences. 

 

https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/d/waltham-2008-porsche-boxster-limited/7349555797.html

[TEWKS]

What’s old is new again.  Reminiscent of a WR 250 R search. 

[roadscholar]

Saw this over on ADV.  

 

 

[TEWKS]

This seems like a rather bizarre way to test a Porsche Boxster! (said with a British accent of course) Looked like fun! 

 

[Rougarou]

They're loading blanks,.......nevermind, I got it now, I responded too soon

 

It's nifty for show, but him wearing the vest in the car,.......kinda hard for the beam to hit the sensors,......woulda been better if they outfitted the car with sensors.

 

BTW, MILES gear sucks, needs to be calibrated to be semi-effective and that generally takes too long.  Also, you can "snipe" with MILES by tapping your finger on the port of the transmitter of the rifle.......essentially firing without making a sound

[TEWKS]

14 minutes ago, Rougarou said:

They're loading blanks

Insert juvenile joke now! Ok. 

Yeah, I’m not sure what would be worse….loading blanks or shooting blanks? 
 

I’m sure with those end caps on the rifles, it would foul up a real round just enough if a mistake was made? I’m sure checks were triple checked but stranger things have happened. 
 

 

[roadscholar]

That was an SLK55 with an AMG V8, has about 75 more hp than a similar year Boxster S, pretty quick little car. It sure seems like Top Gear has run out of sensible things to do with cars.

[Rougarou]

9 hours ago, TEWKS said:

Insert juvenile joke now! Ok. 

Yeah, I’m not sure what would be worse….loading blanks or shooting blanks? 

 

snip-snip, 18 minutes later, and I'ma blank shooter. 

 

9 hours ago, TEWKS said:

I’m sure with those end caps on the rifles, it would foul up a real round just enough if a mistake was made? I’m sure checks were triple checked but stranger things have happened. 

 

I dunno what the Brits call it, but for us, it's a BFA (blank firing adapter).  Essentially clogs the barrel so the gasses of the blank can make the action of the rifle work.

[TEWKS]

I’d of inserted a smile there too, but it’s one or the other. 
 

thanks for the gun info 

[Rougarou]

here you go Pat

 

https://greensboro.craigslist.org/for/d/summerfield-boxster-mint-condition/7364765850.html

[TEWKS]

Wow, that’s a pretty good price!  
 

Thanks! 

[roadscholar]

1 hour ago, TEWKS said:

Wow, that’s a pretty good price!  
 

Thanks! 

 

One could say it's almost too good..  although there was no mention of mileage in the ad.

[TEWKS]

I’ll let you know if I get spammed from Somalia sometime tonight.  Asked about mileage and accidents. 

[TEWKS]

On 8/12/2021 at 5:13 PM, Rougarou said:

here you go Pat

 

https://greensboro.craigslist.org/for/d/summerfield-boxster-mint-condition/7364765850.html

Ad is still up but I got no response.  Probably just as well, it seems like a great price but it’s more than I want to spend on this experiment. 

[TEWKS]

Ski pole in his garage! Darn kids!  He (through my neighbor his uncle) described it as a ding. Can’t see a ding only the scratch.  I guess I might be too picky to buy a 17 year old used car. 

[roadscholar]

On 8/14/2021 at 12:02 PM, TEWKS said:

Ad is still up but I got no response.  Probably just as well, it seems like a great price but it’s more than I want to spend on this experiment. 

 

Still up because it's a scam, wouldn't last 3 days at that price.

[roadscholar]

1 hour ago, TEWKS said:

Ski pole in his garage! Darn kids!  He (through my neighbor his uncle) described it as a ding. Can’t see a ding only the scratch.  I guess I might be too picky to buy a 17 year old used car. 

 

No biggie Pat, even if it is a ding it can be taken out easily.

[TEWKS]

Yeah I gots to loosen up a bit, it’s 17 years old!  

He said my offer was “a little low” (17K) so that’s where we are at today.

[roadscholar]

I think a lot of dealers would like to get it for that, then ask $26.5 for it, they love low mileage cars. Obviously can’t see the car but believe anything under 20 would be a steal.

[TEWKS]

No IMS bearing worries and it’d look really good parked next to a Triple Black GS.  Little pricey but, I gots me a drooly face going on! 

[John Ranalletta]

17 minutes ago, TEWKS said:

No IMS bearing worries and it’d look really good parked next to a Triple Black GS.  Little pricey but, I gots me a drooly face going on! 

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/403094035550?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&siteid=0&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&toolid=20008&campid=5336658105&customid=

[Rougarou]

I'd do this one:

https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=4636&acctid=8926

 

 

Of course, when I told the wife that if I ever won the lottery, I'd get my Aston,.....she say's "why, you'd never drive it, you'd be on one of your bikes",......women,.....they're kind right most of the time..........it'd likely be the same with this Italian beauty.

[roadscholar]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/jalopnik.com/here-s-why-you-should-never-buy-a-ferrari-f355-1706976075/amp

[Hosstage]

Had I FU money,  an Aston would be on the short list.

Here's one that only a few will get their hands on. Turned up at a VW dealership  where a friend works.

$1.8 million. Windshield costs extra.

 

[TEWKS]

I wish I had FU money. 

[TEWKS]

1 hour ago, roadscholar said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/jalopnik.com/here-s-why-you-should-never-buy-a-ferrari-f355-1706976075/amp

Now that makes Porsche ownership seem cheap! 

[roadscholar]

2 hours ago, Hosstage said:

Had I FU money,  an Aston would be on the short list.

Here's one that only a few will get their hands on. Turned up at a VW dealership  where a friend works.

$1.8 million. Windshield costs extra.

 

 

 

 

That's a McLaren..

 

1 hour ago, TEWKS said:

Now that makes Porsche ownership seem cheap! 

 

Yes it does : ) 

[RandyShields]

Thought of Bill and the guys who enjoy this topic when in Pittsburgh recently for a wedding.  Was lucky to stumble across an outdoor Porsche show on the river at Station Square.  Some beautiful specimens on display covering the last 30+ years of production. 

[taylor1]

Randy. Hope you had a chance to stop at Primanti Brothers while there

[Hosstage]

20 hours ago, roadscholar said:

 

That's a McLaren..

 

Yes, I knew that was a McLaren, I was responding to Roug's post about getting an Aston, but didn't separate the two subjects properly in my post!

[9Mary7]

It all makes sense when one realizes that Porsche is a car company that races to prove the design of their sports cars, while Ferrari is a racing company that builds street cars to fund their racing program........

[wbw6cos]

Sounds like a good idea for a movie:  Porsche -vs- Ferrari.

 

[TEWKS]

26 minutes ago, wbw6cos said:

Porsche -vs- Ferrari.

 

[roadscholar]

Good one.   

 

'66 was a pivotal year for the 24 Hours of Lemans. Not only the epic Ford vs Ferrari battle but the first time Porsche seriously attacked the 2 liter category.

 

The results:

Ford 1,2,3 with a 7 liter V8

Porsche 4,5,6,7 with a 2 liter aircooled 6 (906, 210hp) 

10 GT40's DNF'd (did not finish)

All 7 Ferrari prototypes (top category) DNF'd

All 3 Ferrari 2 liter prototypes DNF'd (206SP)

2 Porsche 906's DNF'd, one a crash at 9 hours, the other an engine failure in the 24th hour

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_24_Hours_of_Le_Mans 

 

Ford won Lemans 5 times, Ferrari won 8 times, Porsche has won 20 times.

 

 

[BrianM]

Convertible fun.

I would never own one, but my wife is worth it.

I don't even like sunroofs.

[Rougarou]

What's all the towels for?  Foreign Cars Italia has these things(new and used) sitting in the weather, along with Aston's, Ferrari's and Maserati's.

[roadscholar]

Looks like he's gettin ready to spray something on it, not sure what, maybe water repellent. 

[Rougarou]

51 minutes ago, roadscholar said:

Looks like he's gettin ready to spray something on it, not sure what, maybe water repellent. 

 

That would make sense

[Rougarou]

6 hours ago, roadscholar said:

Good one.   

 

 

 

Ford won Lemans 5 times, Ferrari won 8 times, Porsche has won 20 times.

 

 

 

Ya gotta compare number of entries to number of wins to show something good.  I liken that to Eddie Robinson of Grambling,....of course he had a crap ton of wins, he was coaching Grambling for 56 years, even crappy teams win some.

 

If Porsche enters every year with multiple cars, of course, Porsche's odds of winning that many times are pretty good.  If another brand enters every other year/every few years/only a few years and wins a "lesser" number of total wins, I'd say that lesser number of wins compared to number of entries is equal or is better than the Porsche wins.

 

Kinda like the Trans-Siberian deal, Porsche had 74% of the entrants, I'da guesstimated, that they should finish several in the high end, if not,....that'd be bad.

 

Just sayin'

 

 

[Hosstage]

BrianM, I am not a fan of sunroofs either. Never owned a convertible, but I'm not against it. Until I own one probably.

Give me a mid 70s Caddy Eldorado rag top. Me, my wife, my family, all my friends, and their pets can fit in it!

[Rougarou]

19 minutes ago, Hosstage said:

BrianM, I am not a fan of sunroofs either. Never owned a convertible, but I'm not against it. Until I own one probably.

Give me a mid 70s Caddy Eldorado rag top. Me, my wife, my family, all my friends, and their pets can fit in it!

 

Chrysler

 

[Hosstage]

2 minutes ago, Rougarou said:

 

Chrysler

 

Yup!

That, or the four door Continental convert. Gotta be the biggest of all rag tops.

[roadscholar]

2 hours ago, Rougarou said:

 

Ya gotta compare number of entries to number of wins to show something good.  I liken that to Eddie Robinson of Grambling,....of course he had a crap ton of wins, he was coaching Grambling for 56 years, even crappy teams win some.

 

If Porsche enters every year with multiple cars, of course, Porsche's odds of winning that many times are pretty good.  If another brand enters every other year/every few years/only a few years and wins a "lesser" number of total wins, I'd say that lesser number of wins compared to number of entries is equal or is better than the Porsche wins.

 

Kinda like the Trans-Siberian deal, Porsche had 74% of the entrants, I'da guesstimated, that they should finish several in the high end, if not,....that'd be bad.

 

Just sayin'

 

 

 

Unfortunately it isn't that simple in the politics of international sportscar racing (FIA). Granted Porsche has competed in the top class of endurance racing since 1969 on numerous occasions but many years have not too, particularly as a factory team. They also sell racecars to independents that have won Lemans a number of times. Manufacturers don't want to spend a lot of money to lose plus the rules have a way of changing every several years so it's a revolving door. Sanctioning bodies want the manufacturers involved because of increased revenue but they'll only compete if they think there's at minimum a level playing field or have an advantage and it's a constant dance between the two. If another manufacturer thinks they can't win it's likely they won't show up, that isn't Porsche's fault. 

 

Many other car companies have competed at Lemans; Nissan, Jaguar, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Peugeot, Toyota, Aston Martin, Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Ferrari, Ford, and Chevrolet, not to mention pure race car companies like Lola, Mclaren, Matra and about half the field at this years race most of which I'd never heard of. Yes Porsche has won more than any other brand but each time were competing against at least several of those listed, most of which had much bigger budgets.

 

One other thing, those GT40's, Jaguar, Chevy, Nissan, Toyota, and Aston Martin prototypes weren't built by their respective companies but farmed out to race car fabricators, they did send them lots of money though and slapped their names on the side.  

[Rougarou]

But it's still the same issue, if Porsche has a car in every race (factory or not), but Ferrari does not, the odds are in Porsche (the brand) favor that they'll have more wins......I think it really is that simple......hell, a wankle won the race.

 

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One other thing, those GT40's, Jaguar, Chevy, Nissan, Toyota, and Aston Martin prototypes weren't built by their respective companies but farmed out to race car fabricators, they did send them lots of money though and slapped their names on the side.  

 

Are you saying that the Porche's are all straight from the factory completely unmodified mechanics/suspension/electronics of vehicles, if not, they're modified race vehicles,......same as the rest.....race cars.

[BrianM]

2 hours ago, roadscholar said:

Looks like he's gettin ready to spray something on it, not sure what, maybe water repellent. 

Spraying with Raggtopp protectant. 

Gets treated a couple times a year.

[roadscholar]

2 hours ago, Rougarou said:

But it's still the same issue, if Porsche has a car in every race (factory or not), but Ferrari does not, the odds are in Porsche (the brand) favor that they'll have more wins......I think it really is that simple......hell, a wankle won the race.

 

Granted Porsche has used Lemans since the early 50's as a testbed but whether it's against Ferrari, BMW, Toyota, Audi, Mercedes, Nissan or Jaguar, if Porsche won they had to compete against one or more of those to win so it was always someone. When I have time I'll research who have the best winning percentage per entries.  Edit, now that I think of it Audi does by a long shot, in the 14 times entered they won 13 times, happy : ) By contrast as near as I can tell Toyota entered 12 times before they won but have won the past 3 years although no other name manufacturers were competing.

 

2 hours ago, Rougarou said:

Are you saying that the Porche's are all straight from the factory completely unmodified mechanics/suspension/electronics of vehicles, if not, they're modified race vehicles,......same as the rest.....race cars.

 

What I'm saying is Porsche along with most other European manufacturers design, engineer, and build their racecars in house, the one's I listed above do not, they pay someone else to do it for them.

 

Endurance racing isn't like other forms of motorsport that focus on the driver or car even though it may seem so from the outside, it's a team sport that rewards durability and strategy.

 

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/more-racing/a34264671/how-porsche-became-the-standard-for-excellence-at-24-hours-of-le-mans/

 

[Rougarou]

9 hours ago, roadscholar said:

Granted Porsche has used Lemans since the early 50's as a testbed but whether it's against Ferrari, BMW, Toyota, Audi, Mercedes, Nissan or Jaguar, if Porsche won they had to compete against one or more of those to win so it was always someone. When I have time I'll research who have the best winning percentage per entries.  Edit, now that I think of it Audi does by a long shot, in the 14 times entered they won 13 times, happy : ) By contrast as near as I can tell Toyota entered 12 times before they won but have won the past 3 years although no other name manufacturers were competing.

 

Thanks, no need to really research it.  I just don't think "number of wins" is an end all approach in situations like this.  

 

9 hours ago, roadscholar said:

What I'm saying is Porsche along with most other European manufacturers design, engineer, and build their racecars in house, the one's I listed above do not, they pay someone else to do it for them.

 

I don't see that as any issue.  Porsche has in house race car specialist, other brands certainly could buy/hire out the farmed businesses, but why pay their 401ks (know what I mean),...it's a contracting/cost savings thing, I'd guess.  

 

 

 

[roadscholar]

It's a mindset for some, Ferrari was/is a racing enterprise that sells road cars to fund it, Porsche is an engineering firm that from the beginning races to prove/develop it's cars. BMW has the Motorsport division for racing and modifying street cars, Mercedes has AMG for the same.  

 

Weissach, Porsche research and developement center (and racecar manufacturing)

 

 

Maranello, Scuderia Ferrari.

 

 

[lawnchairboy]

that sound....

[roadscholar]

Yeah Hemi’s don’t sound like that..