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Are BMW Cars as Nice the Bikes?

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AviP
One thing I didn't mention was that on test drives we would try to figure out ......stuff. Like how to work the gps, radio, menus of other things.

 

WOW! Some cars would need a 3 day training course! While all new cars, if you are not familiar with the brand, will have a learning curve you will find some are simply more intuitive than others. The BMW systems were found to be easy to learn, my wife actually thinks that is a major reason to recommend the BMW to friends. Even the voice commands work. Just tell it the address. First time usually. Don't ask about Jaguar systems.......

A few years back the reviewers had just the opposite opinion of the BMW menu driven stuff. They said the controls for simple things were buried 3-4 levels deeps and hard to use. Not sure if it's fixed now.

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mickeym3

Terry, I heartily recommend anyone ordering a BMW to take delivery at the BMW Delivery Center in Greenville SC. They pick you up at the airport, provide lodging and then in the morning carry you to the center for demos, road course instruction in a model similar to what you've ordered, off road course in one of the X vehicles, factory tour and a very in depth introduction to your car, which is immaculately prepared and sitting inside one of the individual showrooms. It's amazing....have done that, driving schools and motorcycle off road course there at the center and they have all been fantastic. California has a similar delivery experience. Periodically BMW has drive events (I've attended one at the Atlanta Speedway and Santa Ana CA and you get some quick autocross seat time (with competition within your group), unlimited driving with any of the models showcased there (M240 being my favorite) and vouchers for 1K off on a purchase, which combined with BMWCCA rebate and other discounts/incentives can be substantial.

 

Alas, but I'll add that no way I want a newer BMW without warranty, but something like a E30 325is is nirvana. IMHO the E30 M3 is the best looking car ever produced. Fortunate enough to have had two of them but when prices skyrocketed I cashed in, too many hobbies and they just sat there most of the time.

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realshelby

Just remember, the BMW cars and BMW bikes are likely to mirror each other in tech and design, along with engineering. I assumed this thread was skewed toward new or very recent models. Maybe not. But it appears that the BMW cars are certainly more reliable than they were a decade ago and easier to live with on other levels. Which in my opinion pretty much mirrors the bikes they make.

 

I am aware of the Delivery Centers! They wanted to do something similar for us when we ordered the Jaguar F-type in 2015. On the X3 purchase we were looking for a fairly quick purchase. Had enough of the Jaguar, wanted out of it. So we bought an in stock X3 that was almost exactly what we would have ordered anyway. I would think the Delivery Center would be an epic experience!

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Bill_Walker

I think Tesla has the only built-in car GPS that's worth a damn, both from a UI perspective and because it's a connected car, so the maps are always up to date. To be fair, though, I've only spent some time playing with it in the showroom, not actually using it on the road. But every other car I've actually used one in (Toyota, Ford, Chevy, Mini, BMW) has pretty much sucked from the moment I started trying to enter a destination. I just Waze or Google Maps on my phone.

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Skywagon

Big T...If she read all the post about BMW bikes final drives, fuel strips, shafts, etc you would never own a BMW bike....However as many have pointed out some of us think they make really good cars. I suspect no matter what she zero's in on if you google issues with it you will find enough bad stuff she will end up buying a horse.

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BigTup
Big T...If she read all the post about BMW bikes final drives, fuel strips, shafts, etc you would never own a BMW bike....However as many have pointed out some of us think they make really good cars. I suspect no matter what she zero's in on if you google issues with it you will find enough bad stuff she will end up buying a horse.

 

Well it's her choice, and she is going to give them a try. I'm not pushing because it will be her ride. Yes I read about the problems the bikes can have, guess I'm lucky both RT's have been great.

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roadscholar
Just remember, the BMW cars and BMW bikes are likely to mirror each other in tech and design, along with engineering. I assumed this thread was skewed toward new or very recent models. Maybe not. But it appears that the BMW cars are certainly more reliable than they were a decade ago and easier to live with on other levels. Which in my opinion pretty much mirrors the bikes they make.

 

 

That can be said of most high end German cars and though BMW targets a younger demographic with a sportier driving experience across the board, as far as longevity, quality, safety, and customer satisfaction I'd pick an MB 9 times out of 10.* But, either brands' newer models will have huge depreciation and once out of warranty exorbitant repair costs (the main reason why they depreciate so fast, people dump them in droves) and like I mentioned above are becoming more and more proprietary, most or all independents can no longer work on them. The labor rate at the local MB dealer went to $149/hr here when it recently changed hands and I've heard of west coast BMW dealers charging $220./hr. so I guess it comes down to what your priorities are.

 

* I'm probably biased but have had nothing but high end German cars since the 70's, including a lot of BMW's.

 

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JamesW

4 wheels or 2 they just go around and around and it doesn't matter if they are made in der fatherland or wherever all they do is go around and around. Me, I'm too old to get excited about rolling stock. Ride or drive what you want and I bet it will all go great from point A to point B or wherever.

 

That said I still get a thrill when I romp on that 5.0L '11 Mustang throttle and listen to those Borla pipes sound off. :) Bet that sound alone tops yer bimmer.

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realshelby

James, I probably have more history with Mustangs than you might imagine. Truly a passion. The new ones are incredible cars. I hope to have a new Mustang drivetrain in my 1965 GT in the not too distant future.

 

But, as always, there surprises for everyone. Just when you think you are the fastest, or the quickest, someone surprises you.

 

I might suggest watching out for certain other cars. One might be the V8 BMW's. Especially when comparing sound. Factory 8000+ redline. Pretty sweet cars!

 

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tallman
4 wheels or 2 they just go around and around and it doesn't matter if they are made in der fatherland or wherever all they do is go around and around. Me, I'm too old to get excited about rolling stock. Ride or drive what you want and I bet it will all go great from point A to point B or wherever.

 

That said I still get a thrill when I romp on that 5.0L '11 Mustang throttle and listen to those Borla pipes sound off. :) Bet that sound alone tops yer bimmer.

 

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

Not quite.

 

When I took my Bimmer (pictured above, it is the arrest me orange one) to the 50th anniversary Corvette traveling exhibit,

there was a long line.

So, I parked over there.

Got out and walked a bit. Was a huge Chevy dealer and I began to circle around towards the exhibit.

 

Lo and behold, here it was about 15 minutes after parking,

and there was a rather large crowd,

around my Bimmer.

"oooo" "ahh" "what is it" I've never seen one of those"

 

So, noticing there wasn't any longer a long line and crowd, I went to the Corvette exhibit.

:thumbsup:

Love 'Vettes.

After enjoying the exhibit I returned to my Bimmer.

Which still had a large crowd.

I asked if anyone remembered the Calder BMW Art Cars?

3.0CSL_calder_8.jpg

 

Needless to say, I appreciate the "sound" of a good vehicle.

But, no.

 

Nope, a newish Mustang may be fun for you (I don't fit in them).

Enjoy.

:)

 

But, never, never, never, ever, think that sound sur;passes the beauty, elegance, performance of a classic Bimmer.

Best wishes.

:Cool:

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chrisolson

If you want sound, just sit at the end of the quarter mile when 2 top fuel dragsters come past at full throttle at over 300 mph ... vibrates your innards :thumbsup:

 

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roadscholar
4 wheels or 2 they just go around and around and it doesn't matter if they are made in der fatherland or wherever all they do is go around and around.

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In deference to the newer stuff which is significantly quicker here's some footage of a couple vintage DTM cars (German Touring Cars which unlike NASCAR tube-frame funny cars are the actual car with some modifications.

 

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tallman

Nice.

 

As far as SOUND goes,

 

The Boxer Cup races at Daytona were spectacular wrt sound.

 

 

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JamesW

Can't find the post but the BMW M4 costs considerably more than did my '11 Mustang GT/CS and by considerable what are we talking here, maybe $30K?  The difference in HP is about maybe 13 and torque is 19 ft-lbs.  Now the M4 3.0L inline 6  also has a turbo as opposed to my 412 HP NATURALLY ASPIRATED 5.0L Mustang.

 

Now, no doubt the M4 will out corner a solid axle Ford Mustang but jeez for that cost difference I would expect the M4 to do something a bit better.  So, if going around a curve is worth the price difference to you be my guest and that's assuming you are a good enough driver to really take that M4 through that curve.  Oh, and then we have BMWs somewhat dubious reputation for reliability and cost of maintenance.  I say enjoy your M4 but I'll take a pass thank you.:classic_wink:

 

 

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