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Good tire choices for an R1200RT?

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dduelin
22 hours ago, realshelby said:

Michelin has a reputation for being good in wet conditions. But are they BETTER than the competition? Just like tire wear reports from "manufacturer testing" wet traction testing against competitors leaves me with a "well, that was bought and paid for ahead of time" feeling. 

I have run PR3's and PR4's on my V Strom. Absolutely good in wet conditions. BUT...I also switched to T-30's on the same bike and it was just as good in wet conditions. PR3 wear was a little better, but the PR4's didn't wear as well and did not match the T-30 mileage. 

I have ridden in torrential downpours across Mississippi and Louisiana on the RT with the T-31's and they never wiggled. Ever. I have tried to break them loose with heavy throttle coming out of turns and they just grip. Hard on the throttle in second gear and no slippage. Even in braking they seem to have more traction than I am asking for. I am sure there is a limit, but since I am more cautious in wet I think most any of the newer generation tires are more than good in the rain compared to tires 15 years ago. The only time I can remember a slip in the wet is in 40 degree rain in west Texas. I downshifted and hit full throttle to pass and the rear tire slipped on the painted line. Those were T-30's. It surprised me, but really I should have expected that. 

I think they are better wet tires because I've seen objective repeatable data obtained in a methodical process. Bike magazine tire reviews combine subjective and objective data. They aren't solicitations for ad space and they aren't that kid on YouTube.

 

You are singing to the choir in regards to Bridgestones but I don't have subjective data like Bike and Motorrad published.

 

I ride in all weathers and I ride in the rain often as a result. I prefer the T31s as my current go to tire for the type of riding I do. I am confident on them and it's dry much more than it's wet.

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realshelby

I think too often the journalists simply spew out the talking points the manufacturers provide. Add a little subjective and the article is done. I often see tires "tested" for 3-4,000 miles, then the projected life of them is given. 

 

Same bike, same rider, same testing track , same anti-wreck device attached to the bike, with g force sensors....That would net some real wet traction figures. Except that once a tire is worn past halfway and the rubber gets a bit more work hardened those results might be in question!

 

I just like to aggravate the Michelin buyers that will claim they are the very best....yet have never run anything else!

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6speedTi
7 hours ago, Dave_in_TX said:

Interesting. I didn't notice any mileage loss going from 027s to T30s.

It varies from rider to rider. Road conditions,  temperatures,  riding habits and so on. That's why I can compare my experiences with different tires because I use the same riding habits and road conditions on my commute to work.  The difference in wear between the 027 and T30 was quite noticeable on the rear. The front lasted about average for my riding habits. As they say on tv commercials,  your mileage will vary. :-)

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dduelin
7 hours ago, realshelby said:

I think too often the journalists simply spew out the talking points the manufacturers provide. Add a little subjective and the article is done. I often see tires "tested" for 3-4,000 miles, then the projected life of them is given. 

 

Same bike, same rider, same testing track , same anti-wreck device attached to the bike, with g force sensors....That would net some real wet traction figures. Except that once a tire is worn past halfway and the rubber gets a bit more work hardened those results might be in question!

 

I just like to aggravate the Michelin buyers that will claim they are the very best....yet have never run anything else!

I don't disagree with much of what passes for moto-journalism but in this case I'll try one more time then leave it alone. Bike subjectively did wet track blind testing of popular sport touring tires when the PR3 and BT-023s were current offerings. Same bike, same professional rider who didn't know what tires are fitted, 6 laps from cold, take carcass temperature data, then timed hot laps until times stabilize. This is subjective data. Then rider adds objective commentary about how the tire felt under him. Results summarized. I don't know if they still do tire testing like this as I dropped my subscription in 2015, but in that review the PR3 came out on top. I do not know the Motorrad methodology.

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hopz

Long thread...

 

I was on PR-4's for most of my Hexhead and Wethead days... and when time came to for a full new set... with a good bit of cupping evident... I went online to shop. I ran across a great deal on the Pirelli Angel GTs... I ordered them- they arrived in 2 days. Had the dealer mount them and ... brothers... have to say... they ride noticeably better than the PR-4... 

 

I ride them till I sold the bike. Must have been 20k miles... miss the bike now, bust satisfied with my decisions... the Angels and the sale....

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