Tony_K Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 What happens when this guy encounters a curve!? http://h6img.com/videosm/double-fail-d4.mp4
eddd Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 I looked at it several times trying to figure out what he did and the only thing I can come up with is that he loses focus when he sees the camera, grabs too much front brake and tries to move to the left.
NCStephen Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 It does for sure look like he locked up the front brake. There is a puff of smoke from the tire and he turns the handle bars left. How much effort does it take to lock the front on a criuser like that? Surely it wasn't some accidental light touch of the brake. As to the reasons why, I doubt he would ever fess up to what really went through his mind. It is also amazing how quick the rider is off the bike just behind him without really doing much to avoid the situation. The third bike while not going down really isn't doing a tremedous job of an all brakes, controlled emergency stop either. It looks like he was back maybe 200 + feet when things went south and he is still moving along pretty good at the camera. He is 4+ seconds back from the camera when this started. Give him a second for reaction time and figuring going under 60, so about 80 feet/sec. Then starting to brake for the next 3 seconds.. 65 ft + 50 ft + 30 ft +? and he is still moving pretty good. 145 ft for braking and still moving at 225 ft from when it began ... not good. We ( well I guess me) need to practice our own reaction times and how we can emergency stop. NCS
Ron_B Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 What also perplexes me is the second bike. Too much "ya gotta know when to lay 'er down" advice?
eddd Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 What also perplexes me is the second bike. Too much "ya gotta know when to lay 'er down" advice? He looks like he reacted just like the first guy, grabbed a handful of front brake while he steered sharply left.
SageRider Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 Appears to me the bike in back hit the rear wheel/bag of the bike in front...
Ron_B Posted August 17, 2012 Posted August 17, 2012 Appears to me the bike in back hit the rear wheel/bag of the bike in front... Interesting... On one hand, I don't know if bike #2 (back) looks to be close enough. One the other hand, it would certainly explain why bike #1 lost it.
NCStephen Posted August 17, 2012 Posted August 17, 2012 The second bike back just seems to visual line up as the angle changes. In the half second before he is further back and over in the lane. The first bike loses it on the front wheel with it sliding out to the edge the rear remains in its regular track
Guest Kakugo Posted August 17, 2012 Posted August 17, 2012 Don't want to sound unkind to all our H-D riding members but I've seen plenty of similar accidents involving those bikes. I have long suspected the venerable Dunlop's usually fitted to those bikes carry a share of the blame: I had a Suzuki which came fitted with those abominations and locking the front wheel was always a present danger. Once I fitted modern Michelin's the problem cured itself instantly. I remember I once had to do an emergency stop and the bike lifted on the back about a couple of feet. Had I done the same on the Dunlop's I would have surely hit the tarmac...
LBump Posted August 17, 2012 Posted August 17, 2012 We really don't know what happenend to this rider. The number 2 rider was far enough back not to have caused him to go down. Viewing this; it looks as though he was going straight and just leaned his bike, dropped his leg, turn the bars and fell off... perhaps he had a stroke. It can happen... We'll never know and it seems a waste a time to assume anything. One thing for sure, don't ride on someones backend.
Mister Tee Posted August 17, 2012 Posted August 17, 2012 Looking at it several times, it looks like for whatever reason, he simply fell off. Note that his bike actually stabilized and recovered on its own.
Stan Walker Posted August 17, 2012 Posted August 17, 2012 I think he saw the sand on the road and panicked, applied the front brake, and washed out the front end. He should have just backed off on the power, and rolled right through it. Stan
outpost22 Posted August 17, 2012 Posted August 17, 2012 I would agree with front brake lock up for bike #1, followed by target fixation for bike #2. The road does look quite sandy or dirty. ABS probably would have been his friend in this scenario. They are even luckier that rider #1 wasn't next to the first guys in the video that are riding side by side. Results would have been even worse. Just remarked to my wife the other day after seeing 4 cruiser riders riding 2 abreast down the road, what a disaster it would be if one had to swerve the wrong way.
4wheeldog Posted August 17, 2012 Posted August 17, 2012 I know of the concept of "Having to lay it down", which translates to "I thought I needed to brake real hard, and then I was on the ground next to the bike!" But this looks more like, "I wonder if I can toss this bike into the next county?"
Francis Posted August 17, 2012 Posted August 17, 2012 I hope they were wearing full face helmets. Both down riders did a face plant or two on the video and I would hope they had the safety of a full face to protect them.
upflying Posted August 17, 2012 Posted August 17, 2012 I see a mixture of HD and Japanese cruisers. This tells me this riding group is a bunch of novice Sunday riders who have white collar jobs during the week. They like the leather and chaps bad ass costume to emulate the Sturgis biker lifestyle they can't have. Panic front brake lockup rider #1 went down because he was watching the camera operator and not the slowing traffic in front. Rider #2 was simply reacting to the unexpected loss of control by rider #1. It all boils down to lack of expereince and training. Sandy surface, lack of ABS, brand of bikes are poor attempts to excuse poor riding ability. When you learn to fly, pilots are always told, "fly the airplane first".
eddd Posted August 18, 2012 Posted August 18, 2012 I see a mixture of HD and Japanese cruisers. This tells me this riding group is a bunch of novice Sunday riders who have white collar jobs during the week. They like the leather and chaps bad ass costume to emulate the Sturgis biker lifestyle they can't have... I had no idea you could get so much detail from a few seconds of video.
LBump Posted August 18, 2012 Posted August 18, 2012 I see a mixture of HD and Japanese cruisers. This tells me this riding group is a bunch of novice Sunday riders who have white collar jobs during the week. They like the leather and chaps bad ass costume to emulate the Sturgis biker lifestyle they can't have... I had no idea you could get so much detail from a few seconds of video. I see a mixture of HD and Japanese cruisers. This tells me this riding group is a bunch of novice Sunday riders who have white collar jobs during the week. They like the leather and chaps bad ass costume to emulate the Sturgis biker lifestyle they can't have. Rider #2 was simply reacting to the unexpected loss of control by rider #1. When you learn to fly, pilots are always told, "fly the airplane first". It helps to have the right training and to have an acute sense of observation. You're always honing that perception...
4wheeldog Posted August 18, 2012 Posted August 18, 2012 When you learn to fly, pilots are always told, "fly the airplane first". The way I liked to put it was, It is only necessary to do three things to fly successfully: Fly the plane FLY THE PLANE! and FLY THE G** D****D PLANE!!!!!! All else is secondary, until the wheels are chocked and the wings tied down.
outpost22 Posted August 18, 2012 Posted August 18, 2012 1) Aviate 2) Navigate 3) Communicate In that order
upflying Posted August 18, 2012 Posted August 18, 2012 I see a mixture of HD and Japanese cruisers. This tells me this riding group is a bunch of novice Sunday riders who have white collar jobs during the week. They like the leather and chaps bad ass costume to emulate the Sturgis biker lifestyle they can't have... I had no idea you could get so much detail from a few seconds of video. It's generalization, profiling, perception and stereotyping at it's finest. Cops question and interpret what they see. Civilians look but often do not see.
Downs Posted August 19, 2012 Posted August 19, 2012 I'm curious as to what happened to the bike after it straightened up and kept going. Was there traffic stopped there? Did the bike hit soemone or multiple people after it kept going?
upflying Posted August 19, 2012 Posted August 19, 2012 I'm curious as to what happened to the bike after it straightened up and kept going. Was there traffic stopped there? Did the bike hit soemone or multiple people after it kept going? You can see the HD Softail Heritage Classic is sideways just as it leaves the last image. I suspect nothing happened since traffic was well ahead of the conflagration.
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