na1g Posted July 22, 2012 Posted July 22, 2012 What kind of tires did your new 2011 R12RT come with? (NOT a general wide-ranging tire thread, please) FYI, mine came with Bridgestone 021s. Am I the only one? pete
SPX Posted July 22, 2012 Posted July 22, 2012 BT021 for me as well. Most seem to come with Metzlers. BTW - I disliked the BT021's very much.
bikebits Posted July 22, 2012 Posted July 22, 2012 BT021s on mine as well. I went to Conti Road Attack 2's at 12000 km.
Canuck Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 BT021's and they were crap. Very happy with the Michelin PR03's.
Uni Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 BT021's also. Changed them at 5,600 miles. Never liked them. PR3's now and liking them. 3,500 miles and they look like new. Jeff
HeliMark Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 BT021 on mine. Just changed them for PR2's at 7800 miles. Front was in bad shape. Those tires really like the tar snakes. Glad they are gone.
Michael B Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 Z6 for me. Got around 12K on both with rear looking much better than front at the end. Replaced with PR3 and like them much better. Have 3K on them and look almost like new.
na1g Posted July 24, 2012 Author Posted July 24, 2012 Thanks for all the replies. The general consensus seems to be that A) many 2011 RTs came with B'stone BT021 tires, and B) they are "crap" (appropriate technical term used in a previous post). I'm at 7,000 miles and the front is shot, the rear has maybe 1,000 miles left. That is just pathetic. Bridgestone and BMW ought to be ashamed of themselves. I note that Bridgestone lists the 021 as an "OE" sport-touring tire, but not the 023 which seems to get much better reviews. If you got Metzler Z6 tires on your new RT, count yourself lucky. I'll not be installing Bridgestones as replacements. Again, thanx for the feedback folks! pete
RTJohn Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 I replaced my last set of Z8's with PR3's. Honestly I can't tell the difference. The Michelins are good tires. I have more than 9k on them now and they're wearing just like the Z8's.
kltk165 Posted July 27, 2012 Posted July 27, 2012 Conti Attack. Barely got 4500 miles out of them. Haven't done much better with Metz Z8. Trying PR3's this time around.
algover Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 Got my 2012 RT the end of April. It has BT 021's. They seem to dislike tar-snakes more than the Metzlers I used on my 2000 R1100RT.
mneblett Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 Bridgestone 021's on my 2012, built 4/12, delivered 5/12. They're "ok" as OE tires, but I don't care for them much, particularly in the wet. They also feel like they are beginning to get a bit squirrely as they wear (about 4K on them now). I can hardly wait until they're worn enough to justify replacement with a pair of PR3's, which I really liked on my K16.
Travman Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Mine came with the Z6's and they were badly cupped and toast at 5500 miles. Have nearly 7000 on PR3's (B rear) and are squared off and starting to cup but still sticking great in the twisties. I have about 1000 left on them and will replace with same. Total confidence in the tires and I have put them through lots of mountain twisties, heavy rain, and snow.
rvickery2 Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Metz Z6, got 9600 miles out of them and replaced with PR3's. Just got back from a 5500 mile trip and the PR3's were flawless but the back is starting to square off.
k9gromit Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 Bridgestone 021s here. Not impressed. Was gald to pull them off at 8k miles. Switched out for PR3s. Happy camper.
David R Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 I think I am the first to say Z8. I will double check. 2012 R1200R Book says 36/42.1 psi. Seems a little high to me. They do not like tar snakes.
alandelph Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 BT021 tyres on mine supplied and lasted 1682 miles ran at the BMW solo no passengers or panniers 32psi front and 36 psi rear. Contacted Bridgestone in the UK and asked if they have a problem with these tyres also contacted BMW UK with the same questions. Tried another set of BT021 ran at the Bridgestone recomended tyre presures of 36 psi front and 42 psi rear with the result of the same tyre degrigation as with the first set and lasted 1751 miles. So 2 sets of BT021 tyres in 3433 miles.............. NEVER WILL I USE BRIDGESTONE BT021 TYRES ON A RT EVER AGAIN now running on Metzler Z8 and have 1500 miles on them already and looking good. Alan
RAINEY Posted September 12, 2012 Posted September 12, 2012 BT021 on my 2012. I know that you asked specifically about a 2011. I wish they would have used the newer model since it was available.
Firenailer Posted September 12, 2012 Posted September 12, 2012 BT021 on mine. Just changed them for PR2's at 7800 miles. Front was in bad shape. Those tires really like the tar snakes. Glad they are gone. I've got the BT021 on mine as well, and the tar snake thing is freaking frightening! I thought I was going down for sure the other day when the front let go on one. I was as surprised as everyone else when it finally grabbed again. I've got 4000 on them now and I think that's going to be enough. I'm probably going to go with the PR3's next. These are really just awful tires!
JIM'SK Posted September 15, 2012 Posted September 15, 2012 Agreed with the Bridgestones. Will switch to Z8 when these are done, tar snakes are very scary with these! Jim Canton, OH
RAINEY Posted September 15, 2012 Posted September 15, 2012 Wow! Hearing the Tar Snakes issue makes me want to change mine out at 1300 miles. I have put 1300 miles on the new RT and haven't experienced that issue yet and really don't care to. I will now find myself second guessing my tires all the time and I am one that really likes to trust my tires. Jason
SPX Posted September 16, 2012 Posted September 16, 2012 As mentioned above, my 2011 R1200RT came with the BT021 tires. With about 500 miles on the motorcycle, I was riding in moderate rain, and had the rear tire slide way out on me. I was able to keep the bike upright, but I was never comfortable with the tires after that point. At 500 miles, I didn't have enough miles on the tires to know how easy they slide around. From 500 miles until I replaced them, I noticed them sliding around very often. Definitely my least favorite tire that I've ridden on, without a doubt.
RAINEY Posted September 19, 2012 Posted September 19, 2012 Today I went our and intentionally searched out tar snakes with my Battlax BT021's. It was about 68 degrees most of the day and I didn't think that they reacted that poorly on the tar snakes. Maybe warmer temps and cold will be worse si I will try them again then. I had my bike at the dealer getting the BMW Nav IV installed and almost told them to throw on the Pilot 3's. If someone would have offered me $100 for the Battlax's with 1300 miles on them I would have done it. I will also be running my bike at a track day on Monday and curious as to how the Battlax's will do there too. Jason
Firenailer Posted September 20, 2012 Posted September 20, 2012 I can't really complain about the 021 tires lasting, they have plenty of tread left on them. The front is just starting to show that squaring off that happens, but at 4800 I guess that's to be expected. I'm going to change them both when I have the 6000 mile service performed in a month or so. Good luck on the track, let us know how they do out there.
David R Posted September 20, 2012 Posted September 20, 2012 Wet tar snakes with Dunlop tires, not good for me. David
kpax Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 I have a 2012 R1200RT. I'm using my favorite Michelin Pilot Road 2. This must be my 7th set, including my old 2007 R 1200 RT. Great in the mountains. Rain has been no problem, and I've been in some heavy rain. Mileage: most is 12000, but they were not fun to ride. At present they have 9800 on them. There's still tread left.
zixis9 Posted November 22, 2012 Posted November 22, 2012 Metzeler Z6's. I got approx: 12,000 mi out of em. I have no idea what to get. I hear its now Metzeler Z8's? I guess thats the upgrade to the 6's? I also hear good things about Michelin RP3's. Any users care to steer me in the best direction? 2011 RT. HAPPY THANKSGIVING DAY everybody!!
KSB Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 I ran a set of Metzler Z8s; got 12K on rear and 20K on front. Just had a pair of Michelin Pilot Road 3 mounted; haven't had them long enough to comment. More expensive, so hope they will perform better (no complaints with Metzler, just wanted to try a different brand).
Martyn Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 I was in my local dealer last week, & the topic of OE tyres came up. A quick check showed of the 7 or 8 road bikes ( RT & 1200R) on the showroom floor, all had BT021. I absolutely loath them, but I guess BMW buy them at the right price.
Teddy Posted December 8, 2012 Posted December 8, 2012 On my 10 RT I had the Conti Road Attacks, which were OKish, I got just over 8,000kms out of them (about 5K miles) The dealer offered me the Pirelli Angel ST's which have about 4,000kms on now. They seem OK as well but not as good in the wet as I had hoped for. I tried the Conti Road Attack II's on my R1200ST before I sold it was very happy with those wet or dry. Teddy
Car 54 Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 I really hate to sound dumb, but... What in the world are Tar Snakes? At my advanced age and after 48 years of riding and owning dozens of bikes, I have never heard the term. Would someone kindly enlighten me? Thanks in advance, John
mnTwin Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 Let me Google that for 'ya: http://www.google.com/search?num=10&hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1199&bih=785&q=tar+snakes&oq=tar+snakes&gs_l=img.3..0i24l2.684.2759.0.3078.10.8.0.2.2.0.109.735.7j1.8.0...0.0...1ac.1.JU-0-ZRVLTI A few pictures are worth...
lkraus Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 Asphalt crack filler that can be slippery in some conditions, usually when wet or hot. I was never conscious of a problem with them in 40 years of riding until I encountered the "tar snake" term in a forum. Now they seem to be attacking me on a regular basis.
Car 54 Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 mn Twin, Okay. Now I am with the program. A lots more than a thousand words there. Thank you. It is odd though, the only thing I have ever heard this referred to is seam sealant or crack sealer. But I bet I will be similar to Larry when I start riding in the Spring; they will be popping up everywhere and I will remember this thread. Thanks guys. It is appreciated. John
racer7 Posted December 24, 2012 Posted December 24, 2012 Considering that most seemed to dislike the oem Bridestone BT-021 and my own experiece with the predecessor BT-020 whichwas far and away the worst bike tire I've used in modern times, one has to wonder how long Bridgestone will keep supplying this junk that does nothing useful for their reputation. They're the tire equivalent of the old Ford Tempo one used to see only as rental junk. I automatically ruled out any and all Bridgestone tires after my experiences with the BT-020 and others with their top of the line GT tires for cages, which are too heavy and have an odd, excessively long footprint that doesn't help handling. Many of the bike tires problems are attributable to two simple design screwups- a poor choice for tread pattern that creates tramlining, and a wrong rubber compound that has almost no grip in the cold and wet. Can't say I'm a big fan of the oem Metz but its a big step up from the BT's...
na1g Posted December 25, 2012 Author Posted December 25, 2012 Racer, it's hard to believe many of us who got our brand new BMWs with the B'stone 021s would replace them when worn with Bridgestones. I sure didn't. And when the original Bridgestone Dueller tires (noisy, hard-riding, poor wet traction) on my Honda CR-V wore out, I didn't put new Bridgestones on that either. You're right, it "does nothing useful for their reputation" to provide that junk to the manufacturers. I'm sure Bridgestone makes money on the large volume sold, I'm sure BMW gets the tires for cheap money, and the tires provided on a new motorcycle are probably not a major factor in its purchase. But I would re-think buying a new bike that sits on B'stone 021s. And of course, it seems to make sense for a German company to use German tires anyway. Oh well, just my 2-cents. pete
tvguy Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 My 2011 came with Z6's and they were ok... Very happy with the Michelin PR3's.
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