moshe_levy Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 I'm experiencing sticker shock of sorts. My 2009 RT is coming up on its first 12k. I was expecting similar prices to my Oilhead, maybe a little less since supposedly there is less maintenance to do (no TBS and all). And (drum roll please).... $710! WHAT?! I just want a sanity check on this. Is that what people are paying now? -MKL
David13 Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 That's not what I pay. Because I do all my own service. I think for quite a few BMW riders, doing the service and maintenance is a part of the fun. It is for me. And it avoids shocks like that. I think it's a great source of pride. If you maintain your bike, and it runs, and maybe runs good, I think you can be proud. dc
moshe_levy Posted July 20, 2012 Author Posted July 20, 2012 I used to do all my own maintenance. I'm familiar with the pride you're describing. But it's not in the cards now. I'm working crazy hours these days and that's not going to stop any time soon. My only riding is commuting to work. It's not about pride - it's about time. I'm willing to pay, to not have to spend time doing it, because I don't have the time now. But $710?! -MKL
erikrichard Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 That's not what I pay. Because I do all my own service. I think for quite a few BMW riders, doing the service and maintenance is a part of the fun. It is for me. And it avoids shocks like that. I think it's a great source of pride. If you maintain your bike, and it runs, and maybe runs good, I think you can be proud. dc Absolutely.
Don_Eilenberger Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 I used to do all my own maintenance. I'm familiar with the pride you're describing. But it's not in the cards now. I'm working crazy hours these days and that's not going to stop any time soon. My only riding is commuting to work. It's not about pride - it's about time. I'm willing to pay, to not have to spend time doing it, because I don't have the time now. But $710?! -MKL Moshe, There is a good independent in Howell who would likely be less then $710.. I believe you know him. If not - ping me, I'll give you the info.
Ponch Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 I'm experiencing sticker shock of sorts. My 2009 RT is coming up on its first 12k. I was expecting similar prices to my Oilhead, maybe a little less since supposedly there is less maintenance to do (no TBS and all). And (drum roll please).... $710! WHAT?! I just want a sanity check on this. Is that what people are paying now? -MKL That's nuts.
SPX Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 [ I'm experiencing sticker shock of sorts. My 2009 RT is coming up on its first 12k. I was expecting similar prices to my Oilhead, maybe a little less since supposedly there is less maintenance to do (no TBS and all). And (drum roll please).... $710! WHAT?! I just want a sanity check on this. Is that what people are paying now? -MKL I am going to guess that in addition to the 12,000 mile check you also have some annual items in that price. Perhaps a brake flush and gearbox fluid change? If so, then it seems that you're being quoted about the going rate. On the other hand, if there are no annual items included in that price, then I think it's high by about $200
Skywagon Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 I don't have the same type bike...Mine is 1150RT. Like you, I don't have time so mine goes in for each checkup. They typicaly cost about $300-350. I don't let them do the brake flush, I do that. But other than the flush, they do it all. Never had one get above $400...but again different bike.
Bmr Deacon Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 I just had a 12k done on my F800ST. No brake fluid flush. They checked the valves but no adjustment was necessary, $530 If the brakes flush would have been due and the valve adjustment would have been needed it would have been in the $700 range right along with the RT. Brutal! I don't really want to work on mine. I did most of the work on my RT and I had to do it so often just to keep the thing running half decently that I decided I would rather ride than work on the bike. That attitude may change in the near future. I didn't have sticker shock of sorts. I had definite sticker shock!
moshe_levy Posted July 20, 2012 Author Posted July 20, 2012 Yes, it's got annuals in there, because it's been two years. Sounds like going rate. But still - ouch! I hear you guys with the self maintenance. Hey, I'm the guy that wrote all those DIY articles, remember? I know what it is to work on my bike! But these days with my current schedule, time is even more precious than money. -MKL
Ponch Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 Yes, it's got annuals in there, because it's been two years. Sounds like going rate. But still - ouch! I hear you guys with the self maintenance. Hey, I'm the guy that wrote all those DIY articles, remember? I know what it is to work on my bike! But these days with my current schedule, time is even more precious than money. -MKL Can you do some of it and pass off the rest, cutting the price down?
BerndM Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 I'm experiencing sticker shock of sorts. My 2009 RT is coming up on its first 12k. I was expecting similar prices to my Oilhead, maybe a little less since supposedly there is less maintenance to do (no TBS and all). And (drum roll please).... $710! WHAT?! I just want a sanity check on this. Is that what people are paying now? -MKL I avoid this ridiculous cost by doing it myself. You can do it too. Just set a day aside for the job. It's NOT that difficult if you buy and follow the video from Jim von Baden. http://www.jimvonbaden.com/R1200.html Even though he titles this the 36K service, it is mostly identical to the 12/24/36/48 etc K services. I put this DVD on my laptop and follow it step by step and it works perfectly! The great part is that if you don't get a certain step, you simply rewind and watch that scene again. Waaayyy better than ANY paper manual IMHO! If you do get this, don't just put the DVD into your laptop drive. Instead actually COPY the DVD onto your hard drive. It makes things MUCH simpler to run it that way! It's the most valuable accessory you can ever buy for your RT. The best $25 I ever spent.
moshe_levy Posted July 20, 2012 Author Posted July 20, 2012 Bernd- I published some of the first reviews on those DVDs. I also published (professionally) more in-depth DIY work such as paralever bearing replacement and a whole host of other DIY articles, mainly in Motorcycle Consumer News. I KNOW HOW TO WORK ON MY OWN BIKE. I DON'T HAVE TIME. Hence, the question about what rates others are paying these days. -MKL
David13 Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 Moshe If you don't have time you don't have alternatives. Either you take the bike to them, and you pay their price, you bargain and negotiate a lower price, you take the bike to some other shop, or ... dc
Fubar Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 Wish I had that time problem. If I recall correctly, mine ran almost 400 USD. (That's why the 18k was done by yours truly and I'll be looking for a tech day for the much more involved 24k service next year)
I812 Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 [ I'm experiencing sticker shock of sorts. My 2009 RT is coming up on its first 12k. I was expecting similar prices to my Oilhead, maybe a little less since supposedly there is less maintenance to do (no TBS and all). And (drum roll please).... $710! WHAT?! I just want a sanity check on this. Is that what people are paying now? -MKL I am going to guess that in addition to the 12,000 mile check you also have some annual items in that price. Perhaps a brake flush and gearbox fluid change? If so, then it seems that you're being quoted about the going rate. On the other hand, if there are no annual items included in that price, then I think it's high by about $200 That would explain much!
lkchris Posted July 22, 2012 Posted July 22, 2012 Take your new Porsche to the dealer. Take your new Mercedes to the dealer. Take your new BMW car to the dealer. After this, you'll see how BMW bike maintenance costs are "normal." You didn't expect "chebbie" rates did you? PS: for the BMW car you will have prepaid in the purchase price for all maintenance up to 50K miles. You paid plenty. You can optionally do this for your Mercedes; don't know about Porsche.
moshe_levy Posted July 22, 2012 Author Posted July 22, 2012 I am not new to dealers or their labor rates. I do remember my 2004 RT's "major" services costing about $400, give or take, and this is maybe 3-4 years ago. I expected something in line with that on the Hexhead, not almost double the amount. But, if that's what it is, it's what it is. -MKL
TheoM Posted July 22, 2012 Posted July 22, 2012 Moshe, I've been in the time crunch compression syndrome before I retired to teach school. I know exactly what you are saying. With me, I'd also worry about the quality of the service as well as the price! My only alternative was to seek recommendations from OCD owners like myself and hone in on an independent mechanic. In my case, I was lucky and found a fellow owner who had just opened a shop. His labor rate was much less than what was charged by my favored dealer. I also loved all the documentation that was provided and the old parts! The check-up call from him two weeks later was over the top. There will come a time when you can get back to the DIY world, but until then, spend the next 12,000 miles hunting-down an independent shop recommended by seasoned DIY folks like yourself. HTH,
moshe_levy Posted July 23, 2012 Author Posted July 23, 2012 Theo- I have that covered already. I am only about 25 miles away from Tom Cutter (owner of Rubber Chicken Racing Garage,) who is THE best BMW mechanic, anywhere. I go to the dealer here until the warranty period is expired (this coming January) on this bike just in case there are any issues, so they can't tell me it's the indy mechanic's fault (which is exactly what they would do, given the chance). The dealer has some good mechanics and one great one, and I use him exclusively for service. So I'm not worried about quality either way, and of course after January only Tom will be allowed to touch my bike (which is my usual rule, broken only for this new RT, my first new BMW with a warranty). I was just asking about rates because it's been a few years since I had a "major" service done at a dealer. -MKL
PDX Greg Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 An actual response to your question: Looked up in my service log and my 12K service on my '09 RT done not quite a year ago cost me just under $600 (at the dealer). Your cost makes me feel a little better. As I was cashing out at the dealer, the counter guy proudly said they were able to keep it under $600. I thought that was a joke but after seeing your cost, i guess not.
Bob_Minor Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 $710 is astounding. I just did the 24K on my '07 RT this weekend which cost me about $110 and included new plugs, air and oil filters, and all fluids. It took me about 6 hours so I guess I earned $100/hour for my efforts.
Guest Kakugo Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 $710 is sheer lunacy. Just to give an idea I paid the big 40000km service 400€ (roughly $480). It included everything BMW says (alternator belt, valve clearance check and adjustment, transmission fluid etc) plus a complete brake fluid flush and bleed. I had a similar experience with my Honda car. The two local dealers literally fleeced me on two consequent services (and one almost destroyed the engine, an old Honda engine, by managing to royally screw up the cambelt swap). I know about zero about cars but it seemed way too much for an old Honda even to me. Enraged, I went to an official Honda dealer about 30 miles away for the next service. I told them what I had been charged and they just stared at me in silence. They gave me a quote which less than half what I had paid previously. Same labor rates, genuine Honda parts, Honda approved engine oil etc. Needless to say that's where I bring my car now. There are too many sharks out there, the only thing we can do is asking for as many quotes as we can and be prepared to drive/ride a lot to get a proper service.
BerndM Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 Bernd- I published some of the first reviews on those DVDs. I also published (professionally) more in-depth DIY work such as paralever bearing replacement and a whole host of other DIY articles, mainly in Motorcycle Consumer News. I KNOW HOW TO WORK ON MY OWN BIKE. I DON'T HAVE TIME. Hence, the question about what rates others are paying these days. -MKL OK, I get that. I'm retired, so time is not an issue. What prompted me to go the DIY way was when my local BMW dealer quoted me a price approaching $800 for my 24K service. INSANE! Doing it myself was about $120 TOTAL, and I enjoyed doing it.
DaveinNCMn Posted July 23, 2012 Posted July 23, 2012 I'm experiencing sticker shock of sorts. My 2009 RT is coming up on its first 12k. I was expecting similar prices to my Oilhead, maybe a little less since supposedly there is less maintenance to do (no TBS and all). And (drum roll please).... $710! WHAT?! I just want a sanity check on this. Is that what people are paying now? -MKL I just had mine done a couple of weeks ago. Total tab was $299.66. I had them do the 12k/2yr except for the engine oil and brake flush as the brake flushes were done about a year ago when the brake recall was done and I do the engine oil changes. Valves were all "within spec." I'd estimate that if they had done the brakes and engine oil would have added another $150-175 to the tab. I usually do all my own service work on all my bikes (yes, even the desmo valves on the ducati), but I bought the RT from Gina's while touring (on my good old 94 R1100RS) and wanted to establish a rapport with my local (135 miles away) dealer's service folks while under warranty. And my fuel strip seemed to be starting to act up a bit and wanted to get that documented too. They re-calibrated it and now it seems to be working ok again....for the moment, at least. .
krussell Posted July 25, 2012 Posted July 25, 2012 http://bmwsporttouring.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=434010 $334, back in '09
moshe_levy Posted July 25, 2012 Author Posted July 25, 2012 Yes. There is a big disparity here somewhere. Well, it's my last dealer service anyway. By the time I hit 18k it will be out of warranty and in Tom Cutter's hands. -MKL
Marty Hill Posted July 25, 2012 Posted July 25, 2012 Tom C. could do this service. Makes no dif on the wty. You do know that?
moshe_levy Posted July 25, 2012 Author Posted July 25, 2012 Marty- I know the theory. I know Magnuson-Moss and I know all the rest. Through experience, I know the reality too, which is that if something happens, they will look for any excuse to pin the blame elsewhere and make what should be routine much more difficult. So I sidestep that whole risk and go to dealers while I'm under warranty. Of course Tom could do this service. He can do anything with a BMW, and do it better half-asleep than the dealer can on their best day. That said, my reasons are as stated above. Been there, done that (not with BMWs, but I learned my lesson long ago on this issue). -MKL
tallman Posted July 25, 2012 Posted July 25, 2012 Understand that POV. But, every BMW I sold, I told the customer that they could perform warranty work, or have it done, if they kept all receipts etc. In order to deny a claim the manufacturer must allege and prove that the work, or modification, caused the problem being addressed. I know you are aware of that, just saying... I also am aware of some cases where claims were denied, so again, I see the rationale.
moshe_levy Posted July 25, 2012 Author Posted July 25, 2012 Tim, someone here has a GREAT line - apologies as I forgot whose tag it is, but it goes something like: "There is a smaller difference between theory and practice, in theory, than there is between theory and practice, in practice." Or something like that. I've been down this road before, and learned from it. I don't need the headache. -MKL
Ponch Posted July 25, 2012 Posted July 25, 2012 With the business model and experiences, I am surprised, at times that people still buy the product. Since they do, may be there's a bigger deal being made about warranty and coverage vis a vis doing self-service versus dealer serviced. If anything, it probably is more dependent on a particular dealer than BMW in general. May be I wrong, but it's incredibly bad karma to look to get out of warranty claims just because. I've also seen enough disparity in service pricing to wonder if some dealer just make it up. What would be nice on any forum that is product related is a vendor experiences sub-forum. After a while there should be some consistency as to who is good and who isn't, who is expensive and who isn't... One more question: I have friend that went it to have something looked for warranty and the dealer did an "adjustment" they charged for and didn't call him first, but presented a bill when he returned. Is it de rigueur for a dealer to do unauthorized work? It sounds like a blank check to me. I have heard of this before, just wondering about other's experiences.
moshe_levy Posted July 26, 2012 Author Posted July 26, 2012 Ponch, We're veering off topic but it is a worthy avenue to explore. Let me throw some aspects as this based on my experiences (which are about to turn 15 years on two wheels). As I said before many times, anyone who has read my articles knows I enjoy DIY and have delved into my bikes quite often. But at the stage of life I am right now, I simply don't have time. I don't need lectures about it - my time is very limited right now and I'm willing to pay to get the work done. So I have to turn outside - and this is rare enough for me that I had to check and see what the going rates are, hence this post. By the same token since time is scarce I am also looking to minimize risk and headache should something go wrong. That DOES NOT mean my dealer automatically will deny warranty coverage if I or an indy gets the work done. It DOES mean, anecdotally, that if something were to go wrong and all maintenance WAS performed there during warranty period, that things DO have a higher probability of being solved with an absolute minimum of fuss, relatively speaking - because there's nobody else to blame. That's what I want right now - no fuss. Again, that's life stage. I don't have time right now to work on my own bike, and I don't have time to argue with anyone if it breaks. I want it tuned - I want it fixed - quickly. With no arguing and no time wasted, so I can get back to working and commuting. So that's my motivation, at this stage of life. Later on of course I hope to get back to the meditative experience of working and bonding with my own machine. Which is something I DO enjoy, obviously, since I've been published for over 10 years about that very subject. Then you listed a subforum for vendor experiences. I have been to such forums, and learned VERY quickly that they are about as near worthless as dog poop on the bottom of my Allrounds. For every reasonable, factual report about a vendor, there are 100 written by emotional or hysterical "customers" whose demands are clearly insane ("customer is always right" types who think the world is owed to them, that any demand they make is justified, and that the shop owner is the equivalent of their slave). People who have no idea what it is to work behind the counter, to a schedule, and people who in many cases use the threat of a bad review over a shop owner's head for every little molehill they want to turn into a mountain. No, thanks. Not for me. We all know what makes a bad shop - or what makes a good one. I've had good experiences at my BMW dealer. That's why I shop there. That's why I pay list prices for my accessories there. Because I want them around, 15 miles away, where it's convenient for me to go. I have had excellent experiences with Tom Cutter - that's why in all but rare cases like this, ONLY he touches my bikes. That's why I pay what he asks and wait as long as he wants me to without questioning him. I trust him, fully. This, again, is my own experience, over many years. Not reading what some other guy says about it. And I've seen alot of bad customers, that NOBODY writes about. Why not? Why aren't we writing about the whiners who take the service writer's time every day complaining about non-issues? Why aren't we mad about the tire-kickers who try every jacket in the store on, then leave and buy it online (once they know the size) to save 5% (and don't give a damn about the poor salesman's hour they just wasted)? Should I go on? Where are the forums about these creeps, who screw it up for the rest of us? These observations are borne of one thing - experience. I know where to go when I want good service. And I know, once there, how to act as a customer to ensure I get it. To be fair, reasonable, factual, logical, and apply the Golden Rule. These factors make me a satisfied customer, and a valued one where I shop. Everybody's happy. No forum required. -MKL
Ponch Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 The LT site has a vendor forum and it has good reviews as well as not. I have found that a little interrogation goes a long way and if someone is a whiner or tire kicker, it comes to the surface. I will say I have found over time who the good dealers are from consistent good reviews. The thing is, there are so few BMW dealers compared to HD or even Honda or Kawasaki that it's good to know who does a good job and is reasonable. That said, I understand your time constraints and I also agree that $700+ is ridiculous. Good luck in finding a solution. PS: I bet BMW has a some idea of who is a good dealer and who isn't in terms of service. When I worked for an independent Apple Service Provider, we had a service excellence score based on different metrics, so of which were getting it right the first time and repeat problems to name just two. It would be interesting to see that data for BMW.
erikrichard Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 To the original poster, I'm not sure what you're complaing about. It took me the equivalent of an entire day to replace all fluids including the brake fluid and adjust the valves. The fluids and oil filter cost me about $100, so that leaves $600 for labor. I think thats about what I would charge you to do this on your bike and I don't have any overhead or employees to pay - why would you expect a dealer to do it cheaper? It's very simple, make time out of your busy schedule to do it yourself or pay up - whining about it solves nothing.
moshe_levy Posted July 26, 2012 Author Posted July 26, 2012 I am the original poster. I was not whining. I was asking why the service (hourly) costs quite a bit more than, say, my Oilhead RT, which requires MORE per 12K than my Hexhead does, such as TBS. I was also asking for others' experiences in dealer labor rates. Funny how these simple requests are construed by others as either a blanket approval for any price without justification based on past experience, or the opportunity to launch into a sermon about the wonders of DIY, neither of which were asked for to begin with. -MKL
duketr4 Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 Here in Oz the going labor rate appears to be around $120 per hour. I suspect it may be similar in your part of the world. Although $710 is nothing to sneeze at. Like others i do my own servicing, it's not difficult. In fact on a boxer i would argue it's very simple. Cheers John
erikrichard Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 I am the original poster. I was not whining. I was asking why the service (hourly) costs quite a bit more than, say, my Oilhead RT, which requires MORE per 12K than my Hexhead does, such as TBS. I was also asking for others' experiences in dealer labor rates. Funny how these simple requests are construed by others as either a blanket approval for any price without justification based on past experience, or the opportunity to launch into a sermon about the wonders of DIY, neither of which were asked for to begin with. -MKL "12K Service - HOW much did you say it was??" Sounds like whining to me even before reading your first post. To answer your initial question, $600 for labor is a reasonable price from a dealer, and I doubt you will find someone to do it much cheaper. Working on motorcycles while theraputic at times, is back-breaking and frustrating - it should pay a lot.
PDX Greg Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 Some additional pricing info for whomever might be interested in dealer cost comparisons: (for my '09 RT) running in service @ 600 miles $310 (my cost 0 as I had negotiated the inclusion of that service in my purchase) 6k service $191 (done at a different dealer in NE US while i was traveling cross country) 12k service $592 at original dealer (this seemed like a lot to me before seeing your post of 700+ and i had theorized that they were trying to recover the comp'd running in service-guess not) 18k service $298 done at a different dealer in midwest while on a cross country trip.
Deek Posted August 1, 2012 Posted August 1, 2012 I'm experiencing sticker shock of sorts. My 2009 RT is coming up on its first 12k. I was expecting similar prices to my Oilhead, maybe a little less since supposedly there is less maintenance to do (no TBS and all). And (drum roll please).... $710! WHAT?! I just want a sanity check on this. Is that what people are paying now? -MKL My 12k service was $317 with $156 of that labor. The service was performed at the Memphis, TN dealer in April. They charge between $70 and $80 per hour, don't remember the exact hourly charge.
moshe_levy Posted August 1, 2012 Author Posted August 1, 2012 Well, I'm all set here. Bit the bullet and made the appointment (earlier on in this thread). They're a month out (it's their busy season now, obviously) so I'm going to do the oil myself @ 12k on the nose (should be this week). and they'll do the rest in late August. I'm back on the bike alot more these days. Since I leased my current car, I'm really contrained with mileage, so I commute alot more on the bike. 450 miles this week alone, so far! -MKL
George S. Posted August 1, 2012 Posted August 1, 2012 I didn't see his original post as whining. He was asking why the increase in cost over the oilhead cost when the oilhead service involved more work than the hexhead. A legitimate question which hasn't been answered, IMO. We all know about dealer overhead, etc, but shouldn't a competent dealer trained wrench be able to do the work in under 6 hours? $710 Seems high to me too. "12K Service - HOW much did you say it was??" Sounds like whining to me even before reading your first post. To answer your initial question, $600 for labor is a reasonable price from a dealer, and I doubt you will find someone to do it much cheaper. Working on motorcycles while theraputic at times, is back-breaking and frustrating - it should pay a lot.
Ponch Posted August 1, 2012 Posted August 1, 2012 I didn't see his original post as whining. He was asking why the increase in cost over the oilhead cost when the oilhead service involved more work than the hexhead. A legitimate question which hasn't been answered, IMO. We all know about dealer overhead, etc, but shouldn't a competent dealer trained wrench be able to do the work in under 6 hours? $710 Seems high to me too. "12K Service - HOW much did you say it was??" Sounds like whining to me even before reading your first post. To answer your initial question, $600 for labor is a reasonable price from a dealer, and I doubt you will find someone to do it much cheaper. Working on motorcycles while theraputic at times, is back-breaking and frustrating - it should pay a lot. The question I have is, is the dealer charging the book time to do the work or are they charging the actual time it took to do the work?
RTJohn Posted August 1, 2012 Posted August 1, 2012 Sadly that's about what I paid for my 12k service. Now that it's out of warranty I'm doing as much of my own work as I can.
moshe_levy Posted August 1, 2012 Author Posted August 1, 2012 Yes, that's correct. I was wondering why there was an almost 50% differential between my Oilhead and Hexhead 12k services. In fairness the dealer labor rate has gone up a bit, but on the other hand the maintenance requirements on the Hexhead are in fact lower. Either way, it is what it is. Time is money, as they say, and I'm paying for my time. -MKL
DiggerJim Posted August 1, 2012 Posted August 1, 2012 Yes, that's correct. I was wondering why there was an almost 50% differential between my Oilhead and Hexhead 12k services. Because, as you've demonstrated, they can.
moshe_levy Posted August 1, 2012 Author Posted August 1, 2012 That's true too. And a month waiting list, no less! -MKL
moshe_levy Posted August 23, 2012 Author Posted August 23, 2012 Picked up my bike today - was pleasantly surprised to see that the svc manager had completely (for some reason) overestimated the charges when I first booked the service. The actual bill was far less, and well in line to what I was used to paying on the Oilhead RT - about $550.00. That's more like it! Got some new Osram 65W bulbs and a few other upgrades here and there. Bike is back home, ready to roll! Life is good. -MKL
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