Kathy R Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 I saw this at an antique car and bike show this afternoon. I'd never seen a speedo like that. Link to comment
Kathy R Posted June 17, 2012 Author Share Posted June 17, 2012 Clue: # 1 It's not a BMW, but it was originally assembled with some BMW parts. Link to comment
Paul Mihalka Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Well, the speedometer says BMW, so at one time it was on a BMW. It says mph, so it was built for a mile usage country England/Australia/USA etc. The headlight with the universal ignition/headlight switch was on many brand bikes. ....... Link to comment
Kathy R Posted June 17, 2012 Author Share Posted June 17, 2012 Owner tells me that this bike was manufactured with some BMW parts, the speedo being one of them. Clue: #2 Originally sold through a catalog Link to comment
Kathy R Posted June 17, 2012 Author Share Posted June 17, 2012 NSU? Nope, but thanks for making me Google that. Learn something, a couple things, every day! Link to comment
Paul Mihalka Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 I think it is a Puch two-stroke, I think Sears/Allstate was selling them. Give-away is the two "gas caps", one for oil and one for gas, to prepare the gas/oil mixture needed. I think Puch was the first two-stroke where you did not have to pre-mix gas and oil. I definitely do not believe that the BMW speedometer was on the bike when new. See the gas tank and the tail light: Link to comment
Kathy R Posted June 17, 2012 Author Share Posted June 17, 2012 DING DING DING We have a winner. How'd I know it would be YOU! 1954 PUCH Sold by SEARS under the model name TWINGLE (What's that all about?) He got it 7 years ago from the 2nd owner. The bike sat in a barn since the late 70s. Link to comment
Paul Mihalka Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 TWINGLE: That was not a official model name, but more like a nick-name (like airhead or oilhead). Stands for twin-single. Puch had a special design with two pistons working in one cylinder with one spark plug. I think other two-stroke builders used it too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split-single Link to comment
Kathy R Posted June 17, 2012 Author Share Posted June 17, 2012 Thanks for that Paul. Me thinks you know more about this bike than the owner. No surprise. Scroll down for "Twingle" Link to comment
Kathy R Posted June 17, 2012 Author Share Posted June 17, 2012 No " " there? Hmmm. So this wasn't just some cute name dreamed up by a SEARS employee. The owner said he's never going to restore it. It started right up, idled smoothly and he went off sweetly. I was real happy to see he had ATGATT too With that bike you run the risk of being run over in this day and age. Link to comment
taylor1 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 If I remember correctly, when I was a kid I had a 250 Sears Allstate that was a two stroke with two cylinders ,one head with a single spark Link to comment
BrianT Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Pretty cool, thanks for posting this. The fact that it's still rideable in that condition says a lot. You can definitely see the BMW in the influence of the build. Link to comment
Guest Kakugo Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 How could I have missed this? I love these games. Anyway here's one I spotted a local antique and collectible bike fair a while ago: Tip. There's a (tenuous) BMW and Volkswagen connection. Link to comment
Paul Mihalka Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Hard to guess because I think it is very customized from stock. Looks like a water cooled two-stroke. The Puch was easy. It is beat up but stock. Link to comment
Guest Kakugo Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 No, it's completely stock. It was usually seen in red though (yes, it was a pricey yet popular bike). Link to comment
Kathy R Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 I can't tell. You blacked out the mfg on the engine! Red? Ducati something? Link to comment
Albert Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 TWINGLE: That was not a official model name, but more like a nick-name (like airhead or oilhead). Stands for twin-single. Puch had a special design with two pistons working in one cylinder with one spark plug. I think other two-stroke builders used it too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split-single Flat track racers running HD XR750 bikes used to set them up for the dirt tracks by changing the firing order. While the 2 cylinders obviously didn't fire together, they would be quite close. They were called twingles too. Link to comment
TEWKS Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Red? Ducati something? I was thinking more CZ but probably not that. The cylinder reminds me of an old RD 350 Yamaha but it's not that either. Tough one. Pat Link to comment
Guest Kakugo Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 On another site we have a small contest about obscure bikes each winter. Very nice, I enjoy it quite a lot. And I can assure you this is an easy one. Link to comment
Kathy R Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 And I can assure you this is an easy one. Link to comment
mwood7800 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I had a puch, twindle when I was a kid, bought it from my neighbor, heavy motorbike, only rode it on the farm, oddly enough it usally started 1 or 2 kicks Link to comment
Bill_Walker Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 On another site we have a small contest about obscure bikes each winter. Very nice, I enjoy it quite a lot. And I can assure you this is an easy one. I'm thinking this might be an easy one for a European, but not for an American. Was this bike imported to the USA in significant numbers? I'll throw a wild guess out and say MZ (aka MuZ). Link to comment
Guest Kakugo Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 To be honest I have no idea if that specific model was ever sold outside of Continental Europe. But the brand is very well known. However... most of the hardest challenges came from a chap from Canada who had a knowledge of obscure models worldwide to rival mine. Which says quite a lot. Link to comment
upflying Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 To be honest I have no idea if that specific model was ever sold outside of Continental Europe. But the brand is very well known. However... most of the hardest challenges came from a chap from Canada who had a knowledge of obscure models worldwide to rival mine. Which says quite a lot. Ok that helps. Two stroke street bikes have not been sold in the US for about 20 years. The identity of Kakugo's motorcycle is in here.. http://www.bikez.com/ Link to comment
upflying Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Ron B is a winner but I disagree the Zundapp brand is "very well known" outside of Europe. Link to comment
Ron_B Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Bob, I've never seen a Zundapp street bike in this country, but there were quite a few 125-175cc motocrossers here when I was racing in the early 70s. Link to comment
upflying Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Kakugo can't confirm the identity since it is midnight in Switzerland. Link to comment
Paul Mihalka Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 With that picture from Ron there is no doubt. Link to comment
Kathy R Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 Nice job Ron. You just know Zundapp was on the tip of my tongue Link to comment
Guest Kakugo Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Yes, Zundapp KS125 1977 model. I told you it was an easy one. Link to comment
Ron_B Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Tip. There's a (tenuous) BMW and Volkswagen connection. Good clue, Kakugo. VWs, BMWs and early Zundapps have/had Flat, horizontally opposed "Boxer" engines. Link to comment
Guest Kakugo Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Tip. There's a (tenuous) BMW and Volkswagen connection. Good clue, Kakugo. VWs, BMWs and early Zundapps have/had Flat, horizontally opposed "Boxer" engines. Actually it was a more pedantic clue... Ferdinand Porsche worked with Zundapp to build the first Volkswagen prototypes (one of which was fitted with a five cylinder air cooled radial) and in 1956 Zundapp moved their headquarters from Nuremberg to Munich, not very far from were the present day BMW headquarters are. OK, I'll just show myself out. Link to comment
Kathy R Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 OK, I'll just show myself out. Don't go too far. It's another day. We need another Mystery Bike. Bueller? Link to comment
Guest Kakugo Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 OK, I'll just show myself out. Don't go too far. It's another day. We need another Mystery Bike. Bueller? Another one snapped by yours truly: Tip: logo on the tank comes from TWO very well known brands, not usually associated with one another. Link to comment
moshe_levy Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I came into this late, but one of my riding friends has an Allstate twingle. He's a Brit-bike afficionado and has a garage full of BSAs, Triumphs, and the occasional Norton. The Allstate, I believe, is the only non-Brit bike he owns. On Sundays we meet up at the local diner, and sometimes there's a BMW /2 there. You park that Allstate next to a /2, and it looks just like kissing cousins. They're cheap and they're ALOT of fun. Really a cool bike! -MKL Link to comment
Ron_B Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 OK Kakugo, yah got us stumped! Off the wall observation: MV Agusta has long had a thing for 5-point star shaped cast wheel spokes. Anything? Bueller? Link to comment
Guest Kakugo Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 No, it's not a KR750. Displacement is much smaller. As a free tip let's just say both the frame and engine manufacturer are still in business today. As a free extra tip the frame manufacturer still uses the same colors (white red and black) to this day. Link to comment
Ron_B Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 OK, I think I've got it. Is it a Suzuki powered Bimota? Edit: It's a Harley-Davidson RR250 powered Bimota. Link to comment
Guest Kakugo Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 OK, I think I've got it. Is it a Suzuki powered Bimota? Bimota frame, yes. Suzuki engine, no. This is a Suzuki-Bimota: Let's just say the engine manufacturer is not usually associated with two strokes. Or high performances for what that matters. Link to comment
Ron_B Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 It's a Harley-Davidson RR250 powered Bimota. Link to comment
Guest Kakugo Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Almost. It's an HDB2 3500 racer but well done nonetheless. Link to comment
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