I did it!

[JamesW]

Just bought myself a brand new never before ridden 1996 R1100RSL !!!!

 

YIPPEEEEE!!!!

[upflying]

Where did you find that?

Sounds like a collector bought it.

[eddd]

Pics?

 

[elkroeger]

right on, I'm on the same bike. Mine's black. :-)

[cali_beemer]

A 96 thats never been ridden? I can only imagine the leaks bound to come. BMW's need to be ridden. My prediction is that first gen head gasket goes first. My extremely low mileage 97 puked them after a couple thousand miles. I think the head gaskets are on their fourth or fifth revision. Check the tires as well!

[JamesW]

The motorcycle is or was part of a collection. The owner stored the mc in a climate controlled setting and even bathed the tires with preservative. My plan is to trailer the bike home then change all fluids especially brakes then do a trans input shaft lube. After all this I will remove the plugs and spin it on the starter motor to get some lubrication going on then install plugs and fire it up. The bike has never even had a dealer pre-delivery service. It is literally a brand new '96.

 

This maybe doesn't belong here but here goes anyway. I am an Oregon resident and the bike is in California at a dealer on consignment. The bike is not registered. If I went to the dealer with my mc trailer with the intent to trailer said mc out of CA and register in Oregon should I be subject to the CA sales or user tax/fee ? the other option is to pay to have a commercial shipper transport out of CA after giving the dealer (shipper) a Bill of Lading. This method, I'm told, avoids tax. I would prefer transporting it myself but not if I am subject to tax. Seems to me I should be able to do this after showing Oregon ID. This works in Washington state but CA is a different state of mind. Thoughts?

 

Oh, as far as leaky seals I am not too concerned as it is a 1996 which is not too bad and as I understand it BMW had made changes to seals prior to that year. I bought my '81RT about 7 years ago with only 800 miles on it and have never had a seal issue. Not saying it absolutely won't happen but I think odds are good there won't be a problem, knock on wood.

[Missouri Bob]

The motorcycle is or was part of a collection.

 

I wonder what else was in the collection. Any number of early 70s bikes need to live at my house.

 

Bob

[JamesW]

Hello Bob,

Sorry only BMW's from 90s.

[1springer]

Ask the dealer if you are going to be charged CA sales tax.

 

This might help...or confuse!

 

http://www.boe.ca.gov/sutax/faqscont.htm

[realshelby]

Unless there is some unusual tax or fee ( you did mention CA ) the registration tax is collected in the state where registered. Motor vehicles don't typically come under the "sales tax" umbrella.

[Ewell D.]

Congratulations!

I am also on the same bike, cobalt blue, and LOVE it.

What kind of "preservative" on the tires. If it was armoral or similar I'd be very careful if it we placed on the tread as well as sidewalls. There have been some nasty accidents because of that.

 

Another Oregon RSL, yes!

 

Ewell

[tallman]

Loved my 96 RSL

tires will need replacing regardless of storage condition, IMO.

Huge improvements in design and 16 year old tires are just that.

What color?

[jviss]

Unless there is some unusual tax or fee ( you did mention CA ) the registration tax is collected in the state where registered. Motor vehicles don't typically come under the "sales tax" umbrella.

You must live in Paradise! Here in the Northeast, sales tax certainly does apply to motor vehicles, new and used. You can't register it unless you prove the sales tax is paid, and even for someone moving into the state with a used vehicle, you have to jump through hoops to recover sales tax you are required to pay to register.

[Glenn Reed]

I thought it might have been one of the bikes from The Shaules Collection discussed earlier Here.

 

However, the RSL in that collection was listed as a '94.

[JamesW]

I thought it might have been one of the bikes from The Shaules Collection discussed earlier Here.

 

However, the RSL in that collection was listed as a '94.

 

Bingo! It is the one in the Shaules Collection. I don't know why I said '96 as it is a '94 and a true beauty at that.

 

Seems to avoid CA sales/user tax I must have it shipped by a valid company actually in the shipping business that can provide proof the bike was delivered outside CA. Just no way around it because the Bill of Laden is the acceptable document by the state. Only other possibility and a remote one at that is if Oregon DMV will issue a new title without actually seeing the bike based on just a bill of sale and an old CA title as the bike was registered in CA for just one year that being 1994. I doubt they will but I can ask tomorrow. The logic behind having 50 states and each one reinventing the wheel has always escaped me. Seems it would be more efficient to just go by time zone and have 4 provincial like governments held together by the national government.

[Paul Mihalka]

Unless there is some unusual tax or fee ( you did mention CA ) the registration tax is collected in the state where registered. Motor vehicles don't typically come under the "sales tax" umbrella.

You must live in Paradise! Here in the Northeast, sales tax certainly does apply to motor vehicles, new and used. You can't register it unless you prove the sales tax is paid, and even for someone moving into the state with a used vehicle, you have to jump through hoops to recover sales tax you are required to pay to register.

This policy must be different from state to state. I work at a dealer in Maryland. If we sell to a resident out of state, he does not pay MD tax. He can ride it away on a temporary tag and then when titling pay the taxes of his home state.

[outpost22]

I thought it might have been one of the bikes from The Shaules Collection discussed earlier Here.

 

However, the RSL in that collection was listed as a '94.

 

Bingo! It is the one in the Shaules Collection. I don't know why I said '96 as it is a '94 and a true beauty at that.

 

Seems to avoid CA sales/user tax I must have it shipped by a valid company actually in the shipping business that can provide proof the bike was delivered outside CA. Just no way around it because the Bill of Laden is the acceptable document by the state. Only other possibility and a remote one at that is if Oregon DMV will issue a new title without actually seeing the bike based on just a bill of sale and an old CA title as the bike was registered in CA for just one year that being 1994. I doubt they will but I can ask tomorrow. The logic behind having 50 states and each one reinventing the wheel has always escaped me. Seems it would be more efficient to just go by time zone and have 4 provincial like governments held together by the national government.

 

James,

Usually if you buy a new vehicle in CA, you must take possession of it in Oregon to avoid the liability of the state sales tax unless it is shipped via commercial transport. That being said, they have to stop you with the bike leaving CA. I doubt California will show up on your doorstep in Baker and ask you to pay them, in which case just close the door in their face, unless you have something in CA. they can lien.

 

Where in CA. is the bike? If not too far south, maybe I could trailer it for you to Medford. I'm going to the Frisco area in February. Will the dealer let you "pass possession" to a third party without collecting the tax before it leaves their show room?

Another option is you can ship it here (Medford) which is closer than Baker to anything in CA. and you can pick it up.

PM me if interested.

 

 

[elkroeger]

It's prolly cheaper to just have it shipped (after considering gas, meals, motel and your time...).

 

Federal did a nice job for me a few years back. Worth thinking about.

 

http://www.funtransport.com/

 

 

[JamesW]

I thought it might have been one of the bikes from The Shaules Collection discussed earlier Here.

 

However, the RSL in that collection was listed as a '94.

 

Bingo! It is the one in the Shaules Collection. I don't know why I said '96 as it is a '94 and a true beauty at that.

 

Seems to avoid CA sales/user tax I must have it shipped by a valid company actually in the shipping business that can provide proof the bike was delivered outside CA. Just no way around it because the Bill of Laden is the acceptable document by the state. Only other possibility and a remote one at that is if Oregon DMV will issue a new title without actually seeing the bike based on just a bill of sale and an old CA title as the bike was registered in CA for just one year that being 1994. I doubt they will but I can ask tomorrow. The logic behind having 50 states and each one reinventing the wheel has always escaped me. Seems it would be more efficient to just go by time zone and have 4 provincial like governments held together by the national government.

 

James,

Usually if you buy a new vehicle in CA, you must take possession of it in Oregon to avoid the liability of the state sales tax unless it is shipped via commercial transport. That being said, they have to stop you with the bike leaving CA. I doubt California will show up on your doorstep in Baker and ask you to pay them, in which case just close the door in their face, unless you have something in CA. they can lien.

 

Where in CA. is the bike? If not too far south, maybe I could trailer it for you to Medford. I'm going to the Frisco area in February. Will the dealer let you "pass possession" to a third party without collecting the tax before it leaves their show room?

Another option is you can ship it here (Medford) which is closer than Baker to anything in CA. and you can pick it up.

PM me if interested.

 

 

That was really nice of you to offer to do that but the m/c is in Pomona. I have to be in Vegas in March so plan to have it shipped there around 3/15 then trailer it to Baker City from Vegas. As I understand it all CA cares is that the vehicle is transported by commercial carrier out of CA. I think CA used to issue one way trip permits but as I understand it they no longer do that but I will ask to make sure. Oh, the dealer won't release the bike unless it is to a commercial carrier unless I pay the sales tax. Can't really blame him and he has a good reputation.

 

As a side note how do you like the Rogue Valley? I was raised in the Jacksonville area and graduated from MHS in '62. I have many fond memories of that valley long before it was overrun by the proverbial you know who. I used to play in many of those old buildings in J - Ville long before it was discovered and listed on the historic register. Wish I would have collected some of the artifacts that were just laying around at the time.

[upflying]

If it has never been registered, you will need a "manufacturers certificate of origin" to register it.

 

[Sailorlite]

Who actually owns this motor vehicle? Is it Mr. Shaules or is it in the inventory of the dealer. If it's Shaules, isn't this like any other private party sale? The buyer pays the sales tax and registration fees in the state where he registers it (Oregon). California would release the title when all liens are satisfied - and they've already collected sales tax back in 1996. Is it the consignment agreement that requires a dealer to collect sales tax - seems unlikely. The dealer deserves and is due his agreed fee for this sale, but I wonder what parts of the registration process he is actually required to get involved in.

 

If I sold my RT today to a resident of Oregon, I'd sign off the CA pink slip (cert. of ownership) and send a liability release to the Calif. DMV. The new owner could ride it, trailer it, or ship it to OR. Not sure why a consignment agreement would necessarily make it more cumbersome.

[JamesW]

I just don't believe it. Went to the Federal site and got a quick quote for shipping to las Vegas from Pomona and from Pomona to where I am in NE Oregon and the difference is only about 100 bucks. Guess i might as well just have it sent directly here. Doesn't make sense as there is a tremendous mileage difference as in 275 miles versus way over 1000 mi.

 

Oh, Oregon has no sales tax so if I take possession in Oregon I'm home free as far as tax goes.

 

I must admit I really don't want to wait until March to gaze upon that beauty. Might even like it as much as my '04RT. Wouldn't miss all the tupperware but would miss the Russell seat.

[JamesW]

You bring up good points. I just assume consignment. That said I doubt the dealer would collect a sales tax if legally he didn't have to. When it comes to states and their laws never ever assume anything. Point is if the dealer says he must work this way odds are good he has no choice. But i will discuss it further.

[JamesW]

Hello Sailorlite,

Thought about this consignment question and the problem is the check is made out to the dealer so I don't think it would be handled the same as if it were a transaction between two private individuals, imo. So, I will most likely bite the bullet and pay the freight. Would like to talk to someone at the CA DMV but haven't a clue how to contact the right person that would have pertinent knowledge.

[1springer]

Call a CA DMV office (any CA DMV office) and see if they can answer your questions. If not they may be able to direct you to someone who can. But ya know the dealer should be able to answer your question or at least find out for you. Is this Brown's BMW your working with, their pretty good.

 

Pick a DMV

http://apps.dmv.ca.gov/fo/regions/eureka.htm

 

Oh, by the way, I've shipped MC's with Federal (Allied) and have been very satisfied with them.

 

 

[Sailorlite]

Whether it's you yourself, or your agent (shipping co.), actually taking possession of the bike in CA, I don't see much legal difference.

 

If you prefer to trailer the bike yourself from CA, Browns should be able to "structure" the sale so you avoid paying a tax that's not owed (unless this is a normal sale, not consignment).

 

If you're an AAA member, the CA offices can provide accurate DMV registration info if you'd like an opinion in addition to the CA DMV's. I guess I'd ask the Oregon DMV what their view is, too, if you haven't already.

 

Finally - while I'd worry a little about potential damage, the convenience of having the bike shipped to my door sounds appealing despite the cost - and evidently solves the tax problem.

 

[JamesW]

Good morning Sailorlite,

I agree with what you say. What is the difference how or who transports the machine out of CA? Oregon DMV could care less since Oregon has no sales tax or user fee, they (ODMV) just laughed and said "good luck". I can, and have, gone to Washington state and merely shown my Oregon drivers license and been exempt from paying sales tax on a car and even food in a restaurant and even Costco. I bought a new pick-up in Idaho and didn't pay sales tax. In fact the dealer even whipped out the Oregon vehicle registration forms and registered/titled the vehicle for me on the spot. I just don't see why California has to be so weird. I mean all rules like this do is interfere with interstate commerce with no gain for the state treasury. This isn't a deal breaker but at the same time I have never been one to just piss away money for no good reason.

[Polo]

Unless there is some unusual tax or fee ( you did mention CA ) the registration tax is collected in the state where registered. Motor vehicles don't typically come under the "sales tax" umbrella.

 

There is a 6.25% State sales tax on motor vehicles in Texas. Other sales taxes such as city and school districts do not apply.

 

Many States, have corresponding sales tax agreements. Taxes paid on a vehicle in State #1 are credited by State #2, as situations like this are more common than we would think. If you buy a vehicle in Texas, you pay taxes here, take the vehicle with temporary tags and then when you register that vehicle in New Mexico, you get those monies credited, and vice-versa.

[outpost22]

I just don't see why California has to be so weird.

 

James,

You're kidding, right?

[JamesW]

Nope, not kidding, that place is a state of mind not people. Have never lived there and never shall. I would consider shooting myself first.

 

Anyway, I just got off the phone after talking to the CA sales/user tax commission or board and the long and short is I WILL hire a commercial carrier to transport the bike out of CA or the dealer in question will collect sales tax from me and if he does not he will be held liable for the full amount of sales tax he should have collected from me. Doesn't matter where out of CA the carrier transports the bike just so long as the place of delivery as shown on the Bill of Laden is out of CA. This Bill of Laden is the dealers proof. Also, doesn't matter if the dealer has the bike on consignment or not as the tax board considers the dealer as the seller for tax collection purposes.

 

One other point, the tax guy also told me that if a private party sells another private party a vehicle that the sales tax will be collected if not from the seller then from the buyer at the time the buyer registers the vehicle or completes title transfer. This is all from the CA tax folks. Now, you can say that this is all BS until the cows wonder home but long and short is them's the facts and if I want this m/c then I will play by these rules.

 

End of story.

[outpost22]

James, you'd never make it as a smuggler.

[JamesW]

Smuggler?? Tell that to Brown Motor Works. As in no tickie no laundry.