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Question: RT end-over


Robus

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Has anyone ever heard of an RT doing an end-over under heavy breaking?

 

Theoretically it must be possible as there are stories of riders experiencing a "stoppie." If the breaking force is enough to cause the rear wheel to rise at all, then it could end-over under the right (wrong) circumstances. That same force if maintained will cause the rear wheel to continue to rise and actually at an accelerating rate as the center-of-gravity gets higher and the wheel base shorter. But in the stories I've heard the bike runs out of energy and comes to a stop before that happens, with the rear tire plopping back down from a height of a few inches to a foot or so.

 

Also, is the ABS on late-model RTs designed to counteract a "stoppie?"

 

Thanks.

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I have had the rear wheel off the ground 2 or 3 inches on my 07 RT (very hard braking)but then the ABS kicks in and the bike settles ,To go all the way over is not going to happen,,,

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Also, is the ABS on late-model RTs designed to counteract a "stoppie?"

 

 

Morning Robus

 

The late BMW ABS-2 & I-ABS & I-ABS Gen-2 systems have an algorithm to prevent excess rear wheel lift. It works pretty crudely on the older ABS-2 systems with the front brake abruptly releasing when you don't expect it.

 

The I-ABS & Gen-2 works a lot smoother and is a lot more refined so a rider really has to play hard to get it to kick in to a level that is noticeable.

 

You can get a bit of a stoppie on all of them as the response isn't fast enough to totally prevent rear wheel lift if the brakes are applied harshly & quickly with great force. The rear wheel lift won't be very high & for very far but you CAN lift the rear wheel if you try hard enough.

 

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Yep... I have seen it first hand on a demo ride back in 2003 at the MOA Rally in Charleston WV. A heavy set guy was demoing a R1150RT, came to a stop light that had just split the group into to, he grabbed a handful of front brake and up he went... I always wondered what the underside of an RT looked like.... now I know. He was fine, but the first thing out of his mouth was... "What the $%^& is with these brakes!" Obviously he wasn't attuned to the Servo Assisted brakes of that era. My wife and I were demoing a LT at the time and I worried what she would say knowing that my bike at the time WAS a 2002 R1150RT.

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Yep... I have seen it first hand on a demo ride back in 2003 at the MOA Rally in Charleston WV. A heavy set guy was demoing a R1150RT, came to a stop light that had just split the group into to, he grabbed a handful of front brake and up he went... I always wondered what the underside of an RT looked like.... now I know. He was fine, but the first thing out of his mouth was... "What the $%^& is with these brakes!" Obviously he wasn't attuned to the Servo Assisted brakes of that era. My wife and I were demoing a LT at the time and I worried what she would say knowing that my bike at the time WAS a 2002 R1150RT.

 

Thanks for the replies. So this guy did go all the way over?

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Yep, he went straight over the handlebars. I was surprised he got up as quickly as he did. I think his ego was hurt more than anything physically hurt.

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I did a "panic" stop from over 70 mph on a '07 RT loaded with camping gear and the rear tire does come up a little. The ABS action was almost undetectable but you could feel the rear going up and down.

 

It felt so unusual that I went back to check out the pavement. It left this beautiful "dashed line" with intermittent "dots" where the rear tire was bouncing.

 

 

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