Jimmy2Time Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 ... on my 99 R1100RTP after a frustrating day trying to dial in my new shocks (that is another discussion)... I was putting the bike on the center stand in my garage when the "toe piece" just snapped off as I was lifting on to the center stand. Thankfully I have the RTP crash bars on front as I couldn't hold it up and eased it slowly to the ground on the right side. My first time I've ever had to pick up my bike off the ground (hopefully the last). I can post a photo of my broken piece in a bit but I just want to get the question out there. Can I get that piece welded back on or do I have to find a used center stand? Are there any concerns about that broken piece getting welded back on? Any tips or tricks that you may care to share about welding? Thanks. Link to comment
Boffin Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Not an uncommon failure. The usual trick is to drill small holes in the tube either side of the break, then slide in a piece of round stock that is a close fit. Next weld the break and the stock through the pre-drilled holes. This is a permanent fix that is stronger than OEM. Andy Link to comment
dirtrider Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Afternoon James Your problem seems pretty common. Kind of a pain to remove the center stand for welding but it is the best way (sort of) It is ever so easy to get that foot welded on crooked if it isn’t at least tack welded on the bike first. Once the piece it tacked in place it can be finish welded on the bike (by a very young and agile welder), or removed and finished up on the bench. I have welded a few of those center stands and not a big deal. Just be darn sure the welding ground attachment is on the stand itself and as close as possible to the weld. It should be a clean low resistance ground to protect the on-vehicle electronics. Link to comment
Rockrib Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 I feel your pain. I just did this repair last week (with D.R.'s online help) and so far so good. Instead of drilling holes, I inserted 1/2 inch solid stock and tacked the two (well, three) pieces together. I then used a cutting wheel to cut two lengthwise "slits". The slits, of course run perpendicular to the break. This allowed me an 8 inch weld between toe-kick and solid stock instead of just a few 1/8th 0r 1/4 inch holes. I'm not much of a welder so I wanted the greatest margin of error. Best of luck. Link to comment
KDeline Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Just be darn sure the welding ground attachment is on the stand itself and as close as possible to the weld. It should be a clean low resistance ground to protect the on-vehicle electronics. For just that reason I removed it. Remember Long Way Round, that is how they fried their ABS unit. Link to comment
Mark K Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 BTDT. Literally threw the bike onto it's right side when it happened. Welded mine slightly off and it eventually drove me nuts. Found a new one on eBay for $57. Money well spent IMO. Link to comment
Jimmy2Time Posted May 3, 2011 Author Share Posted May 3, 2011 It is ever so easy to get that foot welded on crooked if it isn’t at least tack welded on the bike first. Once the piece it tacked in place it can be finish welded on the bike (by a very young and agile welder), or removed and finished up on the bench. I have welded a few of those center stands and not a big deal. Just be darn sure the welding ground attachment is on the stand itself and as close as possible to the weld. It should be a clean low resistance ground to protect the on-vehicle electronics. I really haven't looked but is it pretty straightforward to remove the center stand? Remove a couple bolts? Link to comment
dirtrider Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Morning James Yes & no—If you have done one before pretty straight forward if you haven’t it is different but nothing that can’t easily be done at home. Biggest problem is the side stand needs to come loose so the bike needs to be held up under the engine or by some outside force. Link to comment
AndyS Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I really haven't looked but is it pretty straightforward to remove the center stand? Remove a couple bolts? Hi Jimmy, it depends on how well it was put together last time it came apart. Getting the springs off is easy - just note their exact position for reasssembly. On either side of the centrestand pivot there is an M8 x 16 button headed bolt (item 7) - these come out easily. Next, you have to unscrew item 10. This can require a large allen key each side of the bike. Then, with the bike on the sidestand, unscrew item 10. Here's the problem - they are often corroded into the engine casing. Removal can be a real swine. If you do go this route, make sure everything is nicely greased up on re- assembly and also it might be prudent to replace the Pivot O rings - (item 9). I modified mine to incorperate a grease point. Link to comment
Jimmy2Time Posted May 3, 2011 Author Share Posted May 3, 2011 I really haven't looked but is it pretty straightforward to remove the center stand? Remove a couple bolts? Getting the springs off is easy - just note their exact position for reasssembly. On either side of the centrestand pivot there is an M8 x 16 button headed bolt (item 7) - these come out easily. Next, you have to unscrew item 10. This can require a large allen key each side of the bike. Then, with the bike on the sidestand, unscrew item 10. Here's the problem - they are often corroded into the engine casing. Removal can be a real swine. If you do go this route, make sure everything is nicely greased up on re- assembly and also it might be prudent to replace the Pivot O rings - (item 9). I modified mine to incorperate a grease point. This diagram is for an 1150, is this the same for an R1100RT-P, no less? Link to comment
dan cata Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Hi James, IT also happened on my 1100RT last summer. I got a broken mirror after this... What I did was to put a large piece of stainles steel inside the broken frame piece that would also protrude inside the large centerstand then welded it. This way it will never break again, at least not around there. Also I have replaced the 6 o-rings and greased everything in there with MoS2 grease that I also use on the splines, paralever bushings, etc. All is good now, except the fact that when I put the bike on the ground coming from the centerstand, it will not snap back all the way up and I need to help it a little. It did it before, it does it now... Dan. Link to comment
AndyS Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 More or less identical. the springs are different though. Link to comment
Urban Surfer Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Why is it important to lubricate the center stand? I might use mine once a week. Link to comment
Boffin Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Why is it important to lubricate the center stand? I might use mine once a week. Because it can, and does, sieze up making use at best difficult. The pivots are in direct line of fire for spray off of the front wheel. Andy Link to comment
AndyS Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Why is it important to lubricate the center stand? I might use mine once a week. If (when) they corrode, the stand can become so stiff that the return springs won't work. It also makes the bike more difficult to get on and off the stand, making the bike feel cumbersome & heavy. Also, when the time comes to remove the stand (and murphy says that will happen at the most inconvenient time), you wont be able to remove the stand. Prevention (especially in this case) is better than cure. Link to comment
Sweendog Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 I know this is an old thread, but this just happened to mine. *sigh* At least I've got a friend w/a MIG, so hopefully I can repair it in the next week or so. I don't normally use the side stand for longer than a few hours. Will leaving the bike on the side-stand harm the bike at all? I was worried the oil would collect in the left side valve cover... Thanks, Bill Link to comment
Boffin Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 I know this is an old thread, but this just happened to mine. *sigh* At least I've got a friend w/a MIG, so hopefully I can repair it in the next week or so. I don't normally use the side stand for longer than a few hours. Will leaving the bike on the side-stand harm the bike at all? I was worried the oil would collect in the left side valve cover... Thanks, Bill The R1100S does not have a centre stand. No harm will befall your bike. Andy Link to comment
Jerry Duke Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Andy, some came with a centerstand some didn't. I know the Boxer Cup series, with the belly pan didn't. Link to comment
OoPEZoO Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 *sigh* At least I've got a friend w/a MIG, so hopefully I can repair it in the next week or so. If you prefer to replace it versus weld it, I have a good center stand off of my newly retired '00 RT kicking around. Send me a PM if you are interested. Link to comment
Alfred02 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 When I left my old K100RS on the side stand for a few hours or even a week, it used to blow a bit of smoke for the first 10~20 seconds, but it never harmed it in any way. It never used any noticeable amount of oil and in the 7years I had it, there was no deterioration of the situation. Always struck me as an odd design to have the pistons on the LHS where the side stand was, so that all four pistons were pointing downwards, while on the side stand. Link to comment
AndyS Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 .... Always struck me as an odd design to have the pistons on the LHS where the side stand was, so that all four pistons were pointing downwards, while on the side stand. I'd say that was a good thing, at least you know the bores are nicely lubricated for the first few critical strokes of the engine! Link to comment
Peter Parts Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Funny, I've always taken for granted there was a bad reason why the old K's were called "mosquito foggers" and using a sidestand led to oil waste and polluting the air. Not true? One additional reputed virtue of synth oil is that it sticks to the bores longer when parked. Not true? Ben spring in Toronto Link to comment
MarkShelley Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 This happened to my bike today as I was putting it of the main stand ready to refuel. The bike went over, thankfully on its bad side I have just removed it. What a pain in the ass that was! I will have to find a friendly local welder now. It appears that the side stand is unaffected by the removal of the main stand. Is that correct? Link to comment
BrianM Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 This happened to my bike today as I was putting it of the main stand ready to refuel. The bike went over, thankfully on its bad side I have just removed it. What a pain in the ass that was! I will have to find a friendly local welder now. It appears that the side stand is unaffected by the removal of the main stand. Is that correct? Yes the sidestand is independent of the centerstand. Link to comment
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