Agent_Orange Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 http://www.pacaf.af.mil/library/aibreports/index.asp Link to comment
Joe Frickin' Friday Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Egad. Watched the video, and I could see it coming. Reminded me of Bud Holland: airshow practice, very aggressive maneuvers that exceeded prescribed bank angle limitations (in the name of putting on a good show), very close to the ground, at very low airspeed, that finally led to an inboard wing stall. Crap. Link to comment
philbytx Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 From the video, it appears like he was trying to return to land on the runway he just departed from !! Link to comment
Agent_Orange Posted December 16, 2010 Author Share Posted December 16, 2010 Read 'USAF Aircraft Accident Investigation Board Report for Incident of 28 July 2010'. He was doing the airshow routine, but was outside of the aircraft's envelope. And had been doing so with this aircraft for some time. Link to comment
Joe Frickin' Friday Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 From the video, it appears like he was trying to return to land on the runway he just departed from !! From the accident report, that's exactly what he was doing - not to land, but to make a high-speed pass parallel to the runway. Link to comment
ESokoloff Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Egad. Watched the video, and I could see it coming. Reminded me of Bud Holland: airshow practice, very aggressive maneuvers that exceeded prescribed bank angle limitations (in the name of putting on a good show), very close to the ground, at very low airspeed, that finally led to an inboard wing stall. Crap. Yep. Link to comment
notacop Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Friend of mine was the chief test flight pilot on that project. He would not have approved improper maneuvers. Very sad and expensive in lives and otherwise. Link to comment
Scribner Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Very sad, know some of the regular crew. Classic mistake, low-slow-high degree of bank-hard up elevator-aggressive rudder. The same mistake is seen when a pilot overshoots their turn to final, increases bank and applies aggressive rudder. Prayers for the families. Link to comment
philbytx Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Thanks Mitch.... Didn't read the whole incident report. I just noticed on the vid that he was doing the manoeuvre/turn clean and not dirty and that it appeared to me that he may have been trying to land on the same runway. Your diagram showing the low pass manouevre explains all.....reminds me of the old saying about Old, Bold Pilots and all that . Link to comment
upflying Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Classic accelerated stall. Practiced at altitude, safe to do. Something about air shows. Not the first time and not the last time this has happened. One of the worst was this one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sknyliv_airshow_disaster Link to comment
notacop Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Actually when one thinks about it, for all the complaints on this forum about motorcycle related activities, Air shows are one of the dumbest bits of macho induced stupidity going. Lookee here what I can did with my 70 year old fighter plane...ooowheee bubba. Just park the dang things and let folks have a look see at and in them. I remember getting to go onboard an old Globe Masster at the Chino airport. Guided tour by the pilot. What a trip looking out the flight deck. Didn't need to feel it fly to enjoy the plane. Once they are up they all fly the same, as long as you don't do something dumb. Yeah, yeah, yeah, some are faster, just like motorcycles, but the all rely on lift. Link to comment
AviP Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Here's the youtube video. And this Ukrainian crash is the worst airshow crash ever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATahHZ-r26I Link to comment
Joe Frickin' Friday Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Here's the youtube video. Same video as at OP's link. Unlike the B-52 crash in 1994, this time it seems the DoD has deliberately clipped the movie so as to not show the final impact. Link to comment
Agent_Orange Posted December 16, 2010 Author Share Posted December 16, 2010 "The footage has been edited to cut off just prior to the aircraft's impact, out of consideration and respect for the families of the deceased." Link to comment
FlyingFinn Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 That SU-27 crash is wild. I have to respect the pilot for not bailing out and "riding it to the end". Just before impact he seems to level the plane to possibly in effort to keep the left wing tip from hitting ground, and for a blink of an eye it seem he might, just might be able to save it. Until he hits the parked plane. Wonder if it would have been possible to recover from that without any planes or other structures being on his "flight path". -- Mikko Link to comment
bayoubengal Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 I recieved the official USAF safety brief on this accident. The insight in this thread is pretty dead on. Saw the Bud Holland BUFF crash brief also. As Mitch said, many similarities. Airshows have their place but require a high degree of aircrew discipline and leadership oversight. Bad things happen when both are missing... Link to comment
upflying Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 A B-52 this time, same result.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E21byPXR1ek Link to comment
russell_bynum Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 A B-52 this time, same result.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E21byPXR1ek That's the "Bud Holland" incident that was mentioned earlier in the thread. Link to comment
sgendler Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 That SU-27 crash is wild. I have to respect the pilot for not bailing out and "riding it to the end". Just before impact he seems to level the plane to possibly in effort to keep the left wing tip from hitting ground, and for a blink of an eye it seem he might, just might be able to save it. Until he hits the parked plane. Wonder if it would have been possible to recover from that without any planes or other structures being on his "flight path". -- Mikko They didn't ride it quite to the end. They both got out with minor injuries but 85 people died and another 100 or so were injured. Pilot was sentenced to 14 years and over $1 million fine and the other guy (weapons officer? co-pilot? I don't know what to call him) got 8 years and a big fine, too. Head of the air force was fired, other people resigned. Apparently, the pilot requested an extra training flight prior to the airshow but was denied. Link to comment
Joe Frickin' Friday Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 "The footage has been edited to cut off just prior to the aircraft's impact, out of consideration and respect for the families of the deceased." I figured that was the reason, and in retrospect, I'm surprised the same wasn't done for the video of the Bud Holland crash. Link to comment
upflying Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 A B-52 this time, same result.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E21byPXR1ek That's the "Bud Holland" incident that was mentioned earlier in the thread. Oops, sorry. I guess it helps to read all the replies. I too mentioned the Ukrainian accident before it was again posted later in the thread. Link to comment
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