K1600 LT or GT??

[TEWKS]

Glad I don't have to play family feud against ADVrider, them boys are fast.

 

They dug this up!

 

http://www.tourenfahrer.de/index.php?id=3130

 

 

 

Pat

[Whip]

Looks more like an RT replacement than a LT.

[OoPEZoO]

Rough translation to the blurb

 

What looks at first like a Kawasaki GTR turns out on closer inspection as a new BMW LT with the first time last fall presented new six-cylinder inline engine.

 

Today we received an interesting mail one of our readers: "Dear TF-editing, on my vacation by the U.S. in April, I was at a gas station near Los Angeles motorcycle accident this unknown to me before the lens. The driver spoke German, perhaps there is a new, camouflaged BMW? Perhaps the photo is of interest to you

 

That's very well, because it is unmistakably presented here at a yet unknown, BMW, probably the most well-packaged new cylinder, the end of last year was. Among his key data include 55 degree slope, 1.6 liter, power 160-170 hp and above all, a decent torque, that is to let go even at 2000 rpm whopping 130 Nm.

 

The BMW suspension is a familiar commodity, that is an aluminum-tube frame, front wheel suspension and Paralever rear. Striking are the long wheelbase, the voluminous muffler and far to the driver hinragende handlebars. The windshield goes up and down electrically, the bags are integrated into the vehicle, the rear-view mirrors are in contrast to the previous LT not embedded in the cladding, but sit at separate instructions booklet. LED panel embedded into the center ¹ s are used as daytime running lights. The new K 1600 LT is very likely this year at the Intermot of 6-10. Presented in October in Cologne.

 

I agree that it looks way more like an RT/GT versus an LT, but who knows. Its just interesting to see that motor in something on the street

[OoPEZoO]

After a little more digging. The rumors are flying that the 1600cc motor will be seen first in the new LT AND in the next version of the K1300GT bikes. Sounds believeable enough to me. Sounds like the days of the larger BMW 4-banger might be numbered. I'm guessing any new 4 cylinders motors will now be based off of the S1000RR motor.......not a bad thing

[Paul Mihalka]

Saddle bag/trunk layout is pure LT. Looks to me like a little sportier LT, to distance it more from the Gold Wing.

[Indy Dave]

Sounds like the days of the larger BMW 4-banger might be numbered.

 

Pun intended?

[TEWKS]

Looks just about right for a man in his mid 40s! Oh Honda, where art thou!

 

Jump in price will be one thing but, the overall cost of ownership will be a huge factor for the tight wards (ie me) more conservative amongst us.

 

 

 

Pat

[Indy Dave]

And weight issues. Granted the Oldwing Goldwing is a 6, but rumors have BMW using the 6 in more then just the LT. Is the 4 that bad in the GT? Is the K in need of more power/smoothness? And how ya gonna fit a 6 in the space of a 4 anyway?!

 

Honda went to the 'narrow angle' V4. Maybe this is a logical response?

 

 

[AZKomet]

That is one fugly machine. Looks like a`RoboCop bike. I vote for a wing. Wait...that wasn't an option!!!!! The GT is less fugly.....buy that. Just where is the rumors for the 16 GT? Why retool a machine that is 2 year old?

 

5 years or so seems to be the life of a BMW engine. Honda tried a 6 in a street bike years ago. Wouldn't fly for a number of reasons. I can see a 16 in a four as the space issue is a problem with a 6. When the motherland puts it out I will believe it then.

 

Alos engine size to bike weight is a problem too. COG and the problems of space seems unrealistic to me.

[AZKomet]

Looks like a Kaw.....

 

Where is the logo?

[Tim Yip]

Looks like a Kaw.....

 

Where is the logo?

 

Remember spy photos of the prototype R1200RT posted on Internet in 200(4?)

 

When the R1200RT was finally released, it looked nothing like the test mule. I'd expect BMW is running a disguised test bike here too.

 

Tim

[Indy Dave]

Just where is the rumors for the 16 GT? Why retool a machine that is 2 year old?

 

 

That's my bad. I *thought* I'd read GT somewhere, but this is all I've found. The new BMW straight-six will further expand the K-Series in the foreseeable future. The first model to be introduced will be an innovative and luxurious BMW touring machine. Reflecting the tradition of the BMW K-Series, this will of course be a genuine top-of-the-line product I read into the statement.

 

I-6 press info

[marcopolo]

...Just where is the rumors for the 16 GT? Why retool a machine that is 2 year old?

 

...When the motherland puts it out I will believe it then.

 

Here's a direct quote from a BMW press release when they released the Concept 6: "the new BMW straight-six will further expand the K-Series in the foreseeable future. The first model to be introduced will be an innovative and luxurious BMW touring machine. Reflecting the tradition of the BMW K-Series, this will of course be a genuine top-of-the-line product."

 

The full press release can be found here: https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/pressclub/p/pcgl/pressDetail.html?outputChannelId=6&id=T0071333EN&left_menu_item=node__2295

[cali_beemer]

Looks to me like the rear is definately the rear end of a current K1300GT. Thise are definatley RT/GT side cases and if you look closely it appears to be a standard 42L top case with a custom backreast/arms. The front looks like a bigger KGT almost connie C14 like. Not sure I did the fins on the side. One thing of interest, look how low the seat appears to be. Maybe its proportions are skewed from the picture but it seems like a pretty low seat comapred to most beemers.

[John Bentall]

I think it is the new LT out for some desert testing. I assume there is some desert not too far from LA.

 

I don't think we'll get the water-cooled boxer until 2012 at least.

[AZKomet]

Won't open for me....sigh.

 

I personally don't see the value in a 6 GT. But then again I don't see the value in dogs that water ski either....

[SportsLvr]

When the BMW demo truck was around here a few weeks ago, I spoke with the guys there. They said that the 6 cyl engine would be going into a new LT and it should be sometime next year. That was all the details they would give out. It was like talking to the CIA.

Ken

[OoPEZoO]

I personally don't see the value in a 6 GT. But then again I don't see the value in dogs that water ski either....

 

What if they can make it lighter, smoother, more powerful, and more efficient than the current 1300cc 4-cylinder motor......or at least 3/4 of the above? The hardest one out of that would be the lighter part. But then again, BMW did manage to shave off almost 70 lbs when they went from the 1100RT to the 1200RT. The motor itself might be a little heavier, but I'll bet they can slim down the rest of the bike to offset that.

 

People tend to balk at the thought of a 6-cylinder, but don't take into account how small those cylinders are. Its only 267cc per piston. The K1300 bikes are currently 325cc per piston. I'd be willing to bet that motor won't be much bigger or heavier than the current offerings. If is was, they would have ruled it out right away.

 

I wouldn't buy one because I'm not interested in that style of bike, but I'm definitely interested to see what they come out with. If it ends up with the refinement anywhere close to the BMW automotive inline 6-cylinders, then it will be a winner for sure.

[AZKomet]

I personally don't see the value in a 6 GT. But then again I don't see the value in dogs that water ski either....

 

What if they can make it lighter, smoother, more powerful, and more efficient than the current 1300cc 4-cylinder motor......or at least 3/4 of the above? The hardest one out of that would be the lighter part. But then again, BMW did manage to shave off almost 70 lbs when they went from the 1100RT to the 1200RT. The motor itself might be a little heavier, but I'll bet they can slim down the rest of the bike to offset that.

 

People tend to balk at the thought of a 6-cylinder, but don't take into account how small those cylinders are. Its only 267cc per piston. The K1300 bikes are currently 325cc per piston. I'd be willing to bet that motor won't be much bigger or heavier than the current offerings. If is was, they would have ruled it out right away.

 

I wouldn't buy one because I'm not interested in that style of bike, but I'm definitely interested to see what they come out with. If it ends up with the refinement anywhere close to the BMW automotive inline 6-cylinders, then it will be a winner for sure.

 

 

 

Well that may be true...And 6 cyl refinement? That's funny...sedan still surges and the BMW service guy doesn't have a clue. Always "BAD GAS" is the answer.

Funny...I put the same gas in my Honda and it runs like a dream.

[Indy Dave]

 

What if they can make it lighter, smoother, more powerful, and more efficient than the current 1300cc 4-cylinder motor......or at least 3/4 of the above? The hardest one out of that would be the lighter part. But then again, BMW did manage to shave off almost 70 lbs when they went from the 1100RT to the 1200RT. The motor itself might be a little heavier, but I'll bet they can slim down the rest of the bike to offset that.

 

People tend to balk at the thought of a 6-cylinder, but don't take into account how small those cylinders are. Its only 267cc per piston. The K1300 bikes are currently 325cc per piston. I'd be willing to bet that motor won't be much bigger or heavier than the current offerings. If is was, they would have ruled it out right away.

 

If you follow the link I posted above, and scroll down about a page, that is EXACTLY what BMW is claiming. They're claiming lighter and smaller, etc.

[AZKomet]

 

What if they can make it lighter, smoother, more powerful, and more efficient than the current 1300cc 4-cylinder motor......or at least 3/4 of the above? The hardest one out of that would be the lighter part. But then again, BMW did manage to shave off almost 70 lbs when they went from the 1100RT to the 1200RT. The motor itself might be a little heavier, but I'll bet they can slim down the rest of the bike to offset that.

 

People tend to balk at the thought of a 6-cylinder, but don't take into account how small those cylinders are. Its only 267cc per piston. The K1300 bikes are currently 325cc per piston. I'd be willing to bet that motor won't be much bigger or heavier than the current offerings. If is was, they would have ruled it out right away.

 

If you follow the link I posted above, and scroll down about a page, that is EXACTLY what BMW is claiming. They're claiming lighter and smaller, etc.

 

Ok, but why a 6???? The Busa will smoke anything on the road with a 1300 4 banger. Do you need a machine that travels 200 plus MPH? Is that what the 6 will do?? Why pray tell is a sport tourer in need of that? The LT has always needed more grunt. That is true. But a s/t is not in the same weigh/power ratio as a tourer like the wing or LT.

 

More $$ for redesign and the like. BMW needs to focus on one thing...getting it RIGHT before having pipe dreams about new engines in the future.