Finally, some JUSTICE for Bernie Mad(e)off..

[elkroeger]

This just makes me giggle. Do you suppose that he considered this scenario at all??? Cracked ribs and a broken nose... HA! - HA!

 

Bernie Madoff got beat up

[Matts_12GS]

Why does this make you giggle?

 

Seems dumb to me....

[elkroeger]

I know it's wrong to kick people when they're down, but sometimes it's nice to see people like Madoff get what's coming to them. A little old fashioned justice.

 

And then there's the irony of this statement: "The assailant is a felon serving time on drug charges, who's apparently convinced that Madoff owes him money..."

[cali_beemer]

Sometimes I think that this type of abuse is the only real punishment for their crimes. I am happy to see he is finally being served with whats appropriate. Maybe Bubba will give him a back door bonanza while he is int here as well.

[Matts_12GS]

Still seems dumb to me, but, I'm guessing that's one of those California things....

 

I'm not saying he wasn't a crook, but he's in the pen, lock his dumb ass up in solitary and let him contemplate his navel 23 hours a day or something like that. Putting an old white collar criminal in population has so much more likely to go wrong with it.

 

Just watch, suits will be filed, heads will roll on this...

[DaveTheAffable]

Yeah... I know what you mean.

 

My father was arrested ONCE for drunk driving. Never hit any one. Was never arrested again.

 

While in the Orange County Jail he was beaten by another inmate.

 

All these years later I'm still laughing.

[beemerman2k]

Dave. Please elaborate. I am not understanding what it is you are trying to say here.

[Boone60]

I work in a max security prison as an officer, this type of stuff is something we work very hard at preventing. Often when we move in to break things up, an officer can be badly injured. Two weeks ago I responded to a fight in one of the dining rooms, one of my co-workers down with a dislocated knee when I arrived. The result: For the officer a lifetime to live with a knee that will never be the same, and a huge expense for the State as they pay the medical costs and overtime to replace the officer on line.

[cali_beemer]

Still seems dumb to me, but, I'm guessing that's one of those California things....

 

It could be, but I am sure that there are many like me that are furious with the corrections system, especially here in California. They were just proposing spending millions to update to new facilities for health coverage. We cant even get health care for tax paying citizens....Personally, i am happy to see him get his a$$ kicked. Sometimes, a good ole azz whuppin is really needed. My dad was a prsion guard and told me of the things they have, 3 large meals a day, tv with cable, health care.....C'mon..these are prisioners. Whatever happened to the bread and water days and wearing a shackle? We have created a system where prision isnt really the punishment it should be. Prisioners here seem to have more rights than you and me. Have you ever seen a prision in some other countries? If so you will see what type of day camps we are running. Personally, i am happy he got his butt kicked, it might be a lesson for the next guy thinking of pulling a madoff.

[Casey]

What's the name of that Sherrif in Arizona who makes his prisoners wear pink and sleep outside under a US Army tent? I read where he said about the tents "If it's good enough for our troops, it's good enough for the convicts". Feeds them bologna sandwiches and puts them to work cleaning up roadsides.

 

I think he has the right idea. Make prison something to be dreaded.

[elkroeger]

Make prison something to be dreaded.

 

Yup. Nobody wants to go to prison in Turkey or Mexico... Here, they get all manner of nonsense to occupy themselves with. MRE's, a concrete bunk and a recycled fiber blanket - that's what I say. There's nothing cruel about that at all. Keep your nose clean, and you won't have to worry about it.

 

You know there's something wrong with our prison system when there are people who commit crimes as soon as they get out. Somehow life's better on the inside, I guess.

[DMilan]

knock knock.....

[Dave McReynolds]

It does seem strange to me that there's such a disconnect between society and our prisons. I would guess that if you polled people, you would find that most people would prefer a boot camp, or chain gang, environment for our prisons. I would guess that most people would prefer that prisoners be treated minimally humanely, i.e. not tortured by authorities, but forced to labor and given minimal creature comforts. Most people would prefer that prisoners be forced to work hard enough during the day that they mainly want to sleep at night and so don't require to be entertained by TV or weight rooms. Most people would prefer that prison life be harsh enough that ex-prisoners would want to do whatever possible to keep from returning again.

 

I do believe that when we take away a person's freedom, they should have a reasonable expectation not to be attacked by other prisoners. If they have enough energy to attack each other, they probably aren't working hard enough breaking rocks during the day. There should be harsher penalties than there are for attacking someone else in prison. Since they are already locked up, this probably means corporal penalties or even death.

 

I would imagine the main opposition you would get to my proposals would be from prisoners themselves and the guards, both of which groups would have a harder time than they do at present. But neither of those groups accounts for a very large percantage of the population. So how did things end up the way they are?

[ltljohn]

It does seem strange to me that there's such a disconnect between society and our prisons. I would guess that if you polled people, you would find that most people would prefer a boot camp, or chain gang, environment for our prisons. I would guess that most people would prefer that prisoners be treated minimally humanely, i.e. not tortured by authorities, but forced to labor and given minimal creature comforts. Most people would prefer that prisoners be forced to work hard enough during the day that they mainly want to sleep at night and so don't require to be entertained by TV or weight rooms. Most people would prefer that prison life be harsh enough that ex-prisoners would want to do whatever possible to keep from returning again.

 

I do believe that when we take away a person's freedom, they should have a reasonable expectation not to be attacked by other prisoners. If they have enough energy to attack each other, they probably aren't working hard enough breaking rocks during the day. There should be harsher penalties than there are for attacking someone else in prison. Since they are already locked up, this probably means corporal penalties or even death.

 

I would imagine the main opposition you would get to my proposals would be from prisoners themselves and the guards, both of which groups would have a harder time than they do at present. But neither of those groups accounts for a very large percantage of the population. So how did things end up the way they are?

 

Liberal activists and a complacent society that didn't fight it.

 

Many years ago someone suggested that the Gov't anchor an aircraft carrier off the coast and make a floating prison out of it. Some activists claimed that would constitute cruel and unusual punishment. Made those of us living on a carrier at the time feel real good.

[cali_beemer]

Well, atleast it sounds like I am not the only one that feels prision isnt as bad as it should be. There should be a cell with bars on it, a single bed and an open taoilet. Make them eat bread and drink water for meals and work toward community improvement all day. Unfortunately its turned into a system where peisioners believe they have rights, they get free healthcare, cable TV, a yard to paly in, weights to lift....it really makes me sick. Personally my belief is that when you have committed a crime, you have waived your rights as a human being, and you have ignored the simple policy of life, liberty and the right to pursue happiness while they were free. In some countries, if you are in prision, you must rely on family to bring you meals in order to survive.....I am so frustrated with our political model. I heard we are now spending more on prisions than we are on education... crazy.... and to think of how many prisioners we have that are here illegally. Of course I also believe in the death penalty so we arent housing murderes. To quote Ron white, "if you kill someone, we will kill you back"....

[Dave McReynolds]

Liberal activists and a complacent society that didn't fight it.

 

There are "liberal" causes, such as national healthcare, that are strongly supported by millions on the liberal side and strongly detested by millions on the conservative side, but I don't think that's the case with prisoner rights.

 

I'm probably more in touch with the liberal side of things, both by living in California and my own circle of friends, than many on this board. I don't think my liberal friends would have any problem with the sentiments I express in my post above. I'm pretty darn sure conservatives wouldn't have any problem with them either, unless some might think I didn't go far enough.

 

So if you compare the prison system pre-WWII, which is closer to what most people would probably like to have, with what it has evolved into now, what you see is the growth of a monstrosity which as far as I can tell is not really supported by any large group of people on either side of the political spectrum.

 

So if, as you say, this was brought about by liberal activists, it was a pretty small group of liberal activists, compared with other major movements of the last 50 years, such as civil rights, womens' rights, etc. It really shows the power that a small dedicated group of people can weild in our society, if they are smart enough to know the right ropes to pull.

[DaveTheAffable]

Dave. Please elaborate. I am not understanding what it is you are trying to say here.

 

I know that a lot of people think our judicial and punishment system is insufficient, and/or in need of reform.

 

The problem is this: You cannot legislate, or beat, morality and character into the heart of a man.

 

I believe that the "accounting" that will occur in the next life is greater than what we see here, and now. But that is MY belief, and because of that strong belief, while believing discipline and punishment are necessary for an orderly society, I'm not AS concerned as some are about the apparent disparities in punishment.

 

I do want my family and friends kept safe, and want "good" sentences to keep bad guys out of the way where we can.

 

What bothers me is when "we" (not pointing at the OP here) take joy, pleasure, in the beating or harm to someone who is in custody. I understand it! We want a "measure of suffering" to be applied to those that have done wrong. In all cases. Including my fathers.

 

There is only one person who should not suffer discipline, judgment, or justice for all of their wrong doings.

 

He is a person that each one of us calls "me".

[Boone60]

Liberal activists and a complacent society that didn't fight it.

 

Good people that do whatever they can, so they don't have to serve on a jury.

[Selden]

Poetic justice for BM would be if he got scammed in a prison cigarette pyramid scheme.

[elkroeger]

Poetic justice for BM would be if he got scammed in a prison cigarette pyramid scheme.

 

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! Good one! :-)

[DaveTheAffable]

Poetic justice for BM would be if he got scammed in a prison cigarette pyramid scheme.

 

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! Good one! :-)

 

I concur...THAT is funny.