philbytx Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Ammunition Accountability Legislation! The government can't stop folks screwing up the financial system, ripping off your savings or screwing the taxpayer but............ Campaign promises about protecting the 2nd amendment "right to bear arms" aside, this appears to be the "back door" approach taken to the issue by the "anti" legitimate firearm owner lobby. It appears to do nothing to stop the bad guys from buying "illegitimate" ammunition on the domestic black market or getting it from Mexico. They smuggle drugs and people into the U.S. so why not ammunition! The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including Illinois and Indiana) requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacturer into a database of all ammunition sales. So they will know who bought it, how much you buy and what calibers. Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the ammunition is coded. Any privately held un-coded ammunition must be used or destroyed by July 1, 2011. (Including hand loaded ammo.) They will also charge a .05 cent Tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least $2.50 or more! If they can deprive you of ammo, they do not need to take your gun! This legislation is currently pending in 18 states: Alabama , Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington. To find more about the anti-gun group that is sponsoring this legislation and the specific legislation for each state , go HERE Link to comment
StuGotz Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Next up.....How to make your own ammo... MB> Link to comment
Whip Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 It's Deja vu all over again. Link to comment
EffBee Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Next up.....How to make your own ammo... MB> Or, should you learn of the markings on the ammo of a foe, how does one go about making their own ammo with those markings, thus implicating an enemy as the main suspect in a crime you commit. Link to comment
Silver Surfer/AKAButters Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Sounds like a shopping trip is in order. Link to comment
BFish Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 that extra $.05 makes ted nugent wealthy beyond his dreams. love to spend a day with him playing on his ranches/farmsteads. Link to comment
Dennis Andress Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Next up.....How to make your own ammo... MB> Or, should you learn of the markings on the ammo of a foe, how does one go about making their own ammo with those markings, thus implicating an enemy as the main suspect in a crime you commit. I was wondering if the encoding would be in the casing or the bullet itself. If it were in the casing then spent brass could be reloaded and used to incriminate someone else. Philby mentioned that reloading would no longer be legal though. Which makes me wonder if brass would become accountable. How would a "brass audit" work? Link to comment
Mike Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 For those inclined to oppose this sort of legislation, you may want to think about joining. Link to comment
Lawman Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Philby, Don't worry about it..The government will protect you. Just ask your neighbors to the south... Link to comment
upflying Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 What happened to the legislation requiring imprinting of the firing pin? The pin makes a unique mark on the primer and was supposed to help police with leads after a crime was committed. While this may work with auto loaders, what about bad guys who use wheel guns? Even if this legislation passes, is it not possible to deface the firing pin and shell casing identification before using the weapon and ammo in a crime? Criminals do not obey existing gun laws...and they won't obey ammunition laws either. Nanny government run amok. Link to comment
philbytx Posted January 14, 2009 Author Share Posted January 14, 2009 No need to remind me Our WallyWorld is almost out of handgun ammunition! I bought up the last of the 250 round boxes of Winchester 115gr FMJ's last time I was in there plus their last 2 boxes of 147gr JHP's. From my cold dead hands mate....!!! Link to comment
smiller Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Just FWIW nothing has 'started' recently as the Ammunition Accountability proposal has been around for long before the election, and has no relationship to who is president anyway as it is not federal legislation. And before anyone panics we might note that ammunition serialization resolutions were introduced in five states in 2007 and 18 states in 2008 but not a single state passed their resolution. Link to comment
Whip Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 ....I know it sounds scary, but I'm with Seth on this one. Ain't gonna happen. Link to comment
russell_bynum Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Just FWIW nothing has 'started' recently, the Ammunition Accountability proposal has been around for long before the election, and has no relationship to who is president anyway as it is not federal legislation. And before anyone panics we might note that ammunition serialization resolutions were introduced in five states in 2007 and 18 states in 2008 but not a single state passed their resolution. OK, we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming... Correct. But there's always a first time. Knowing about these proposed laws is the first step in fighting them. (The second step being "contact your representative" and "join an activist group", and the third being "Stop electing jackasses who waste govt time and money proposing these laws.") Link to comment
russell_bynum Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 ....I know it sounds scary, but I'm with Seth on this one. Ain't gonna happen. Maybe not in TX, but we've seen some pretty screwy laws passed here in the Peoples Republik of Kaliforniastan. Link to comment
Fugu Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Ain't gonna happen. People said that about the Clinton gun ban bill. I'm so happy the sunset was built in. And I'm sure people have said it about lots of BS gun legislation. Incrementalism is at work. These bills look stupid right now, but later when it's "just" a little ammo tax or something, it will look OK by comparison... Then another little bite... before you know it, nothing's left. Link to comment
smiller Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Correct. But there's always a first time. Knowing about these proposed laws is the first step in fighting them. Sure, and agreed that this particular issue requires constant vigilance. But I just continue to be amused at the hysteria going around concerning gun rights in various circles recently, as in implicitly linking legislation like this to the recent election, or the panic to buy guns before the inauguration (as if some edict was going to be issued the following day. ) We actually had gun stores around here selling out the week following the election. Comical. We might see some silliness like the assault weapons ban come up again but in all likelihood that's about it... the Supreme Court has established an individual right (pretty significant event which will provide the basis to challenge any draconian legislation that may come up), and besides... gun control is simply a loser issue in mainstream politics these days in that it usually hurts a candidate a lot more than it helps. Unless public opinion itself makes a radical shift I don't think it's at all probable that we'll see the Armageddon in gun rights that so many are anticipating. Link to comment
Whip Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Correct. But there's always a first time. Knowing about these proposed laws is the first step in fighting them. Sure, and agreed that this particular issue requires constant vigilance. But I just continue to be amused at the hysteria going around concerning gun rights in various circles recently, as in implicitly linking legislation like this to the recent election, or the panic to buy guns before the inauguration (as if some edict was going to be issued the following day. ) We actually had gun stores around here selling out the week following the election. Comical. We might see some silliness like the assault weapons ban come up again but in all likelihood that's about it... the Supreme Court has established an individual right (pretty significant event which will provide the basis to challenge any draconian legislation that may come up), and besides... gun control is simply a loser issue in mainstream politics these days in that it usually hurts a candidate a lot more than it helps. Unless public opinion itself makes a radical shift I don't think it's at all probable that we'll see the Armageddon in gun rights that so many are anticipating. Next we'll be roommates... Link to comment
David Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 There was an article in the local daily here saying that gun sales were up 47% from the volume they experienced a year ago. People are buying guns not just because they think there might be a change in policies but because they fear that a protracted recession will lead to poverty which is directly linked to crime. I'm not saying they're right or wrong--just noting why people are doing it. Link to comment
smiller Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 People are buying guns not just because they think there might be a change in policies but because they fear that a protracted recession will lead to poverty which is directly linked to crime. Maybe, but the clear peak in sales that occurred right after the election leads me to believe that many people are really overweighting that factor. Next we'll be roommates... Roommates? You won't even come up and work on your bike just because I'm going to be there. Link to comment
Dennis Andress Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 ...Nanny government run amok. I think "Nanny government" is the issue here. For some, talk of legislation like this is reassuring and comforting. Never mind if anything comes of it. It can also be a red hearing, a distraction from the real legislation. Link to comment
Whip Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 People are buying guns not just because they think there might be a change in policies but because they fear that a protracted recession will lead to poverty which is directly linked to crime. Maybe, but the clear peak in sales that occurred right after the election leads me to believe that many people are really overweighting that factor. Next we'll be roommates... Roommates? You won't even come up and work on your bike just because I'm going to be there. Be careful what you wish for. Link to comment
waylap Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I'm not speaking for all LEO's for sure, but I think you'll find that MOST LEO's are totally against this sort of thing including more "gun laws". Criminals will always have guns and ammunition. This only severely hinders law abiding citizens (and LEOs) from properly owning guns and ammunition. I'm surprised gun shop owners didn't secretly support these laws, it only boosts their business ten fold and does nothing to deter crime. Heck, even as an LEO I have to wait several days to take a pistol home after buying it! unless you have a concealed weapon permit. This country's days are numbered. It's sad. Link to comment
russell_bynum Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Correct. But there's always a first time. Knowing about these proposed laws is the first step in fighting them. Sure, and agreed that this particular issue requires constant vigilance. But I just continue to be amused at the hysteria going around concerning gun rights in various circles recently, as in implicitly linking legislation like this to the recent election, or the panic to buy guns before the inauguration (as if some edict was going to be issued the following day. ) We actually had gun stores around here selling out the week following the election. Comical. Not really. First, if new gun bans go in, there will be a run on that particular type of firearm. If you don't have it in hand (or in DROS) by the time the law hits, you're SOL. Given the history of the folks who are/will be in charge, weapons that were included in the Clinton gun ban are flying off the shelf faster than the manufacturers can build them. Rock River Arms, Bushmaster, DPMS...basically all of the big AR-15 manufacturers are at 4-6month waiting lists...if not more. .223/5.56mm ammo, which was getting scarce and expensive anyway since the military is currently using so much of it, is now very hard to find in any quantity. Second, since guns tend to last a very long time, and laws often grandfather in guns that you already own, it makes sense to buy now on the assumption that it will be banned later and you'll be grandfathered in. Third, what David said about recession and poverty. Possibly even total economic collapse (not likely, but we've seen a bunch of things lately that most people said wasn't likely/possible. There are also things that can be done on day-one without any laws being passed. The instant background check system (which everyone must go through before being allowed to purchase a gun) had really bad uptime under a previous administration. Mysteriously, once power changed hands, the reliability of the system went way up. If you can't run a background check, you can't sell a gun. The bottom line is that the folks taking power have a long and established history of not being friendly to gun owners. To expect that they've suddenly had a change of heart seems pretty silly to me. We might see some silliness like the assault weapons ban come up again but in all likelihood that's about it... the Supreme Court has established an individual right (pretty significant event which will provide the basis to challenge any draconian legislation that may come up), and besides... gun control is simply a loser issue in mainstream politics these days in that it usually hurts a candidate a lot more than it helps. Unless public opinion itself makes a radical shift I don't think it's at all probable that we'll see the Armageddon in gun rights that so many are anticipating. I certainly hope you're right, but I have my doubts. Link to comment
smiller Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Rock River Arms, Bushmaster, DPMS...basically all of the big AR-15 manufacturers are at 4-6month waiting lists... Hmmm... well, if you're into conspiracy theories maybe Bushmaster is behind it all... And besides... if 5.56 ammo becomes currency in the new economy then I'm rich again... Link to comment
rob1100r Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 QUOTE: Any privately held un-coded ammunition must be used or destroyed by July 1, 2011. (Including hand loaded ammo.) ***I bet there will be ALOT of new criminals after that date! Link to comment
skinny_tom (aka boney) Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Maybe Chris Rock is behind it all. NSFW: Language Link to comment
Boone60 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Keep an eye out for the Link to comment
tallman Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 "No sir, I don't own a gun. Why do you ask?" Link to comment
bimmers Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 u are all so "unpresidential" to be politically correct. And fwiw, promises by a politician are guarantees for disappointments for those who believe........... Just make sure we lobby against it and reveal the culprits who are pushing so we can get them out of office. Link to comment
keithb Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 "The bottom line is that the folks taking power have a long and established history of not being friendly to gun owners. To expect that they've suddenly had a change of heart seems pretty silly to me." Well elections do have consequences! Link to comment
skinny_tom (aka boney) Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I suppose I'm the only one who did a little homework on this one? The reason behind the proposed legislation is because there's a company out there that has a patent on bullet encoding technology, and they want to make money. Capitalism at it's best. READ HERE: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/are_states_going_to_require_serial_numbers.html Link to comment
russell_bynum Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I suppose I'm the only one who did a little homework on this one? The reason behind the proposed legislation is because there's a company out there that has a patent on bullet encoding technology, and they want to make money. Capitalism at it's best. READ HERE: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/are_states_going_to_require_serial_numbers.html Well of course...money almost(?) always plays a role in politics. You still gotta find someone willing to introduce the issue and bring it up for a vote. And you gotta have enough people voting for it to make it happen. Link to comment
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