ViTaL Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Sorry to present another on this subject! Hi, I'm sure that this subject has been aired out before, but I'd like to have some valued experiences. My last oil change for the season on my R1200RT (2007) was done with much care: I ran the engine to warm it, changed the filter and allowed the oil to drain for a long time, (no more drips!). Then I carefully measured and added 4 litres of the best, which is the quantity that my "Rider's Manual" calls for. Then I started and ran the engine for a long time, not riding, but revving it up and down. When I shut down and checked the level in the sight window ..... It is FULL! My questions: Is it "over filled"; is this normal; will it lead to any problems (assuming that it is "over filled")? Thanks Link to comment
rglassma Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 By full I guess you mean it is at the top of the window? If that is the case, you should be fine. Link to comment
RTinNC Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Victor .... sounds like you added a bit too much oil. What you have to remember is when you drain it you never get out a FULL 4 qts. When I do the change I refill with about 3 1/2 qts. run it and then recheck it and top off if needed. Also, remember when you check it put the bike on the sidestand for about 5 min and then on centerstand. That should give you a good reading. Link to comment
Pictou Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 When my bike comes back from the dealer the oil is always right at the top as you describe. Its never been a problem for me. Link to comment
JHP Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 What's the 5 min on sidestand do for the accurate reading? Link to comment
T__ Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 What's the 5 min on sidestand do for the accurate reading? On the oilheads it allows time & angle for the oil cooler to drain back into the sump.. Not sure on the Hexhead as my new Hexhead doesn’t seem to show much difference when placed on the side stand for 5 minutes (doesn’t hurt though to be sure) Twisty Link to comment
RTinNC Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 What's the 5 min on sidestand do for the accurate reading? On the oilheads it allows time & angle for the oil cooler to drain back into the sump.. Not sure on the Hexhead as my new Hexhead doesn’t seem to show much difference when placed on the side stand for 5 minutes (doesn’t hurt though to be sure) Twisty 1+ What Twisty said Link to comment
ViTaL Posted November 22, 2008 Author Share Posted November 22, 2008 Hi, Thanks for all your replies, some very good tips here. It occurs to me based on RTinNC's reply that the big difference could be in the use on "litre" and "quart" measurements. 1 litre is equal to 3.78 US Quarts, so if I put 4 litres into my bike it would be equivalent to 4.23 US quarts! And, I'm sure that the engine in my R1200RT is the same as in all R1200RT's in the US and Canada! What is different, I guess is the Rider's Manuals, mine, the Canadian version says 4 litres, the US version, I guess, says 4 quarts! Hence an overfill for me (or underfill for all US R1200RT's). Based on RTinNC's suggestion, I will henceforth add 3.5 litres and then check for fill! Link to comment
Paul Mihalka Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 The 2008 R1200RT manual says 1.1 gallon or 4 litre, with oil filter change. Are Canadian oil cans 1 litre or 1 Quart? Anyways if you put in 4 litres you are exactly at factory specs. Link to comment
AZgman Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 1 US GALLON is equal to 3.78 Liters.... http://www.digitaldutch.com/unitconverter/volume.htm Link to comment
Huzband Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 My procedure is pretty anal. Engine cold or warm, same oil comes out. Cold is relative. 1; Drain oil, pull filter. 1a; Make sure filter gasket came off with said filter. 2; Install new filter, replace drain plug. 3; Dump in 4L of new oil. 4; Start engine, check for leaks for 30-60 seconds. 5; If no leaks, ride the snot out of it. My point is, no matter how many times you drain the oil, the same amount always goes back in. Also, running the engine "for a long time, not riding, but revving it up and down", is never a good idea. You're risking over-heating in a big way. Link to comment
ViTaL Posted November 24, 2008 Author Share Posted November 24, 2008 The '07 Canadian version of the Manual only mentions the 4 litre measure. You can find both here, some are 1 litre and others are 946ml (1 US quart) Link to comment
keithb Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 "1a; Make sure filter gasket came off with said filter." Make sure you verify the above procedure. I just worked on friend's bike and the filter gasket stuck to the bottom of the engine. 5 years ago I came close to catastrophic engine failure due to this very situation. Until this happened to me I had never seen a filter gasket separate from the filter like that and I have done a lot of oil changes. I guess I was lucky. Link to comment
Semper_Fi Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 i usually apply a thin film of fresh oil on the new gasket when re-installing - it seems to work well in preventing being stuck upon next removal. Definately check for gasket - car or bike Link to comment
BeemerLover Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I have always put a film of oil on the gasket of any filter I have installed and have never had one stick in 50 years. I love Danny's "ride the snot out of it" comment. That is what these engines like. Coddle them and you have more problems. Gael Link to comment
Unhofliche_Gesundheit Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 first time i changed the oil on the RT i had the filter gasket stay 'on the bike'. as is recessed you really dont see it. i was lucky and glad i caught it ! i've been changing oil since before the invention of the internal combustion engine (arr back in my day it was all 'external ' ararrr) and that is the first time it happened to me! also where is the snot? how do you know when it is out? does it need to be refreshed? is this something we have to change? synthetic or dino? please advise. Link to comment
Harry_Wilshusen Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 also where is the snot? how do you know when it is out? does it need to be refreshed? is this something we have to change? synthetic or dino? please advise. Is there a snot sightglass or is it an old school snot dip stick. Harry Link to comment
Huzband Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 also where is the snot? how do you know when it is out? does it need to be refreshed? is this something we have to change? synthetic or dino? please advise. Is there a snot sightglass or is it an old school snot dip stick. Harry Snot is the stuff that makes oil...well...oil. When the snot is out, it's time to change the oil. This usually occurs in the range of 3-7k miles, depending on whether it's syn or dino, & your riding style. Oilheads & newer have a snot sight glass, while the older boxers have a snot dipstick. Thanks for asking guys, I'm always glad to clear things up. PS, FD snot is a totally different animal, & must be approached with caution. Link to comment
Koop Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 "1a; Make sure filter gasket came off with said filter." Make sure you verify the above procedure. I just worked on friend's bike and the filter gasket stuck to the bottom of the engine. 5 years ago I came close to catastrophic engine failure due to this very situation. Until this happened to me I had never seen a filter gasket separate from the filter like that and I have done a lot of oil changes. I guess I was lucky. I can't even begin to count the number of times I've changed oil filters. I was taught to always check the filter gasket but never had one stick...until 2 days ago when I did my first R1200RT oil change. The rubber seal from the OEM BMW filter stuck to the case. Good thing I checked. Link to comment
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