V1 owners....I have some questions for ya.....

[OoPEZoO]

I had a rather pleasant run in with the local Sheriff yesterday afternoon. He was a nice guy, we chatted a little bit, and he let me off with a written warning. I was extrememly lucky......It could have been MUCH MUCH worse. I won't go into detail, but I'm pretty sure that having a V1 would have payed for itself yesterday if he would have been in the ticket writing mood. I live in PA where only the State Troopers (few and far between) are allowed to use radar, so I never saw considered buying a radar detector. I now work in MD where the backroad speed limits are just insanely low (posted 30 where it should be 50) and I think every LEO can use radar. So on to the questions.

 

Is a V1 easy enough to install and remove on a consistant basis for commuting?

How many wires does it take to connect/disconnect it?

How well do they hold up in adverse conditions (cold/wet weather)?

Is a legal speeding/water proof box worth the added trouble?

Is it worth it to integrate the sound from the V1 into my comm system, or are the visual alerts enough?

Anything other words of wisdom I need to know about (besides slow down)?

[jfremder]

Easy to install/remove w/ RAM Mount

 

One Wire (RJ-11 Phone connector)

 

OK in light rain behind fairing, I cover with shower cap in monsoon

 

No, IMHO

 

Yes, you need sound AND visual

 

It takes a while to get used to the alerts, and they aren't always effective for instant on. Get to know your local LEO's equipment.

[lawnchairboy]

sound and visual both, for sure. I run mine in the tank bag, works great, keep the remote visual in the clear map case have audio via autocom. Mine has paid for itself a couple of times.

 

chris

[tallman]

w/instant on, you're toast, unless there is a rabbit

w/V 1 on ram, it is visible and you can guarantee no "warning" will be written, it will be the real deal.

 

If I were running one, ( I don't anymore) I'd go stealthier with it in bag or behind fairing.

You still get radar bounces from others and it is out of sight.

 

I would integrate it through audio alert.

[OoPEZoO]

Mine will be placed up on my RCU shelf under my SAT radio reciever. I initial plan is to duo-lock them together so I can install/remove them together at the same time.

 

As far as getting to know my local LEO radar.......that doesn't work in PA for local cops. The bastards hide in the bushes and smack you with VASCAR. As long as you are paying attention, you are usually safe. I still have no idea what the MD LEO's are using, but I'm sure it won't take me long to figure it out

[Paul Mihalka]

I was without a detector since instant-ons came around. Now I have one for the same reasons you will get one, Keith. Around my home in Maryland, in north Howard and Carroll counties, roads in farming areas that are run at a comfortable 50mph, the limit is 30, and the LEOs are out there. I got nailed and was lucky at other times.

I know the V1 is tops but I cheaped out and bought a Escort 8500 on Ebay, from Escort, factory checked, refurbished and warrantied for $150. I have it attached to the back of the windshield, with a Marc Parnes Visual Alert on top of it. No extra wires, one phone style connector and one click, and it is off. I know it saved my bacon at least once. The LEO was sitting in the bushes on the only straight within 10 miles, but he was kind enough to have his radar on solid.

I had it on my trip to John Day and back, but interestingly, or luckily, I've seen very little police activity.

I am less worried about non-Maryland tickets as here out-of-state tickets don't carry points. So it is "only money".

[Trinity]

A small, homemade dash mount for me...V1 velcroed on top with the audio adapter (for Radar Screamer) dual locked underneath. I carry a couple of shower caps + rubber bands for bad weather and have had no problems in spite of riding in some real "toad stranglers." (No issues with cold FWIW, but hey, I'm in Texas, so who knows...)

 

One small tip: Go to Radio Shack or your local electronics store and buy some RJ11 connectors, spare phone wire and connector attachment tool. This will allow you to easily make custom length connectors and keep the overall installation MUCH neater.

[OoPEZoO]

Exactly Paul.....I pass through Baltimore and Harford Counties on my commute home, and its not like I'm doing 100+ mph and riding like a nut. I would expect to get popped then. It's for those straight, flat, sections through farm country where you can see a 1/2 mile down the road and are posted at 30mph. There is no reason why the limit couldn't be a safe 45-55 (like all the backroads in PA), but getting a ticket for being popped at 50 in 30 is no joke. Thats a HEAFTY fine, and possible more trouble.

 

Like yesterday, I wasn't riding unsafe......I was just rolling down a backroad enjoying the 72 degree weather in the middle of August . No residential area, schools, or businesses.....just an occational minor cross road or driveway. I came over a rise and saw 2 cars parked opposite each other in the road. I slowed down to make sure it was safe when I see an orange vest get out of one of the vehicles and start flagging me down. The other vehicle was an older women in a red convertable already recieving a ticket. The sheriff was very polite, and didn't lecture me at all.....but he did mention that I was damn lucky he wasn't writing me a ticket. I said, yes sir, thank you sir, have a nice day sir. I would really like to just avoid that whole process next time.

 

After a few chats with some of the locals here at work today it sounds like the MD LEO's use about every radar known to man including X, K, Ka, instant on, and laser.

[TyTass]

...I pass through Baltimore and Harford Counties on my commute home,

 

I grew up riding and driving in that area and know what you mean. In fact, I blelieve a lot of the road improvements are due to graciousness on my part for not owning a radar detector way back when.

 

...After a few chats with some of the locals here at work today it sounds like the MD LEO's use about every radar known to man including X, K, Ka, instant on, and laser.

 

Yes, they run everything. This winter I'm going to buy a detector so I'm interested in this post. Kinda got my eye on the Adaptiv TPX.

[kriemer]

I have owned a V1 for several years and have used it both in my car and on my GT. When I first used the V1 on the GT I had it in my tank bag wired to a switched ignition lead. The unit did not pick up LEO radar signals very well and since the stock ignition lead does not shut off for 1 minute, the unit would keep beeping unless I turned it off. Not good when the LEO is right there with you.

I have since moved the V1 to a Big Mak shelf with a Legal Speeding enclosure, mostly for stealth reasons. I have also added a stock BMW handlebar switch so it is easy to shut off quickly. The V1 has much better range in the new location, and thus far has prevented any tickets.

 

Karl Riemer

'08 K1200GT

[Huzband]

Keith, I got my V1 last Christmas, & love it. Although I haven't kept track, if it hasn't paid for itself yet, it's close. Most recently saved me in middle Ga. on the way to RideSmart. Go figure.

 

To add my pennies worth to the already posted good answers, I'll say the following.

 

Mine's on a RAM, so it's easy enough to remove/re-install.

 

I've been too lazy to run the hard wire. I just have a Powerlet cord going to a 12v outlet in the tank bag, & plug it in to that. Still easy to disconnect, though.

 

I have it in a Legal Speeding box. It's been through some horrific downpours, & never an issue. The aux. box that you'll need to connect it to the Autocom though, does not fit inside the LS cover. It's not water resistant, either. I've had to take it apart in a hotel room twice to dry it out. When it gets wet, it quits working, so you lose your audio alert. Not good. I now have a longer cable, so when the weather threatens, it goes into the map pocket on the tank bag. After several rides through the rain there, no problems.

 

+3 on having audio. I tried it once without audio on a ride to Daytona. When I saw the two troopers in the median, I looked at the V1, & it was at full tilt. The lights didn't get my attention in overcast daylight. ( They were nice, didn't stop me for 83. )

 

The only other thing I would ad is, even when you have a detector, ride like you don't. As you know, they're not invincible. I still mostly keep my speed to within ten over, but I'll bump that occasionally if I have chum in the water. In my experience, even with lazer & instant on, as long as you're smart, you'll be okay. I've been tagged with both several times, & even though I was over the limit, I haven't been stopped with it. When I get an instant alert, I slow at a moderate rate. I don't chop the throttle, or get on the brakes. In my opinion, if the headlight dips suddenly, the officer knows immediately that you have a warning device. If you you slow slowly, he only sees you as respecting his presence, & noting your speed accordingly. This is all subjective speculation of course, but it's worked for me for years.

 

Oh, one more thing. I tried an Escort, but IMHO, the V1 is worth the few extra coins. The directional alerts have become priceless to me.

[OoPEZoO]

I have it in a Legal Speeding box. It's been through some horrific downpours, & never an issue.

 

You mean like the one You, Shannon, and I got stuck in coming back from Deal's Gap during the BRR?

 

Thats all good info.....thanks. It looks like I pretty much know what I want to do now.....its just going to take some penny saving.

 

BTW.....I got to work this morning to find that 2 other coworkers got tickets as well. One yesterday, and one this morning......all on separate roads but all on northern MD back roads. I'm guessing they decided to have a crackdown. Hopefully they made enough money to get it out of there system for awhile.

[bakerzdosen]

Hopefully they made enough money to get it out of there system for awhile.

Yeah, because that's exactly the reaction I have whenever I find a cash cow...

[Tony_K]

I'm glad you started this thread Keith.

I got nailed on the way to the UN.

I was being really really good the whole time too.

A decent down a hill with the throttle lock on was my demise.

I was commenting to Lori on the intercom, "Hey look there is a CHP with a car pulled over on the other side... DAMN!"

That's when I saw my guy facing me in the median. The 'ol tag team, get 'em coming and going game.

 

We spoke while he wrote me up. I commented how I was being really good the entire time but the downhill caught me sleeping.

 

He said "Yes, we wait here knowing that is going to happen."

"In the winter we go down the hill and get you before Mammoth!" (a very popular sky area).

Nice

So a V1 is in my near future also.

 

[ghaverkamp]

Yeah, because that's exactly the reaction I have whenever I find a cash cow...

 

I wish I could find a cash cow...

[Fugu]

Is a V1 easy enough to install and remove on a consistant basis for commuting?

 

Spose you could, I leave mine mounted in the "security" mount. Security apparently means "unless they have a screwdriver" and I put an old tank bag rain cover over the goodies on my dash.

 

I saw somebody who used a Garmin GPS mount base for a V1- looked slick and easy to pop off.

 

How many wires does it take to connect/disconnect it?

 

As mentioned, one RJ-11

 

How well do they hold up in adverse conditions (cold/wet weather)?

 

Cold seems to have no effect. Was fine in 16 hours of snow storm, but it was just warm enough for the snow to not stick. It's been fine down to 20 F, but I haven't done that for long.

 

Is a legal speeding/water proof box worth the added trouble?

 

Not for me. Stays dry behind my windscreen in motion, and I cover it at rest if parked outdoors w/ the old tank bag rain cover

 

Is it worth it to integrate the sound from the V1 into my comm system, or are the visual alerts enough?

 

Not worth it- MANDATORY.

 

Anything other words of wisdom I need to know about (besides slow down)?

 

FIGHT THE POWER!

 

I'm not convinced of the effectiveness of any detection devices against laser. The V1 has saved my butt numerous times. It has possibly failed me one time. I say possibly because perhaps my brain was not switched on and I just didn't register the sounds (really unlikely - I'm tuned into that thing...), and perhaps because I'm not sure the trooper actually radared me - I think he might be FOS and I'm still fighting "the man" on that one.

 

 

Mine has paid for itself so much it's silly. Those stationary readouts w/ radar you will pick up a mile out. A stationary car w/ radar on you will pick up in the next zip code.

 

Instant on radar, which is what's really dangerous, will light you up loud and abruptly. Learn that sound. Be ready to jump on the brakes when it goes ape doody.

 

 

[OoPEZoO]

the worst part is......I kinda had enough $$$ built up in my slush fund to spring for a V1 and all the associated crap to go with it, then my clutch started acting up. So I order the clutch parts instead and now the clutch is working perfect.......I think its all a big scam

[russell_bynum]

Is a V1 easy enough to install and remove on a consistant basis for commuting?

 

Depends on how you mount it.

 

How many wires does it take to connect/disconnect it?

One for power. One for audio. Again...depending on how you mount it.

 

How well do they hold up in adverse conditions (cold/wet weather)?

 

They don't like wet. They do generally dry out and work again, but don't plan on using one in the rain if it's mounted where it is out and exposed. They are otherwise, EXTREMELY durable. Mine has fallen off the bike at triple-digit speeds, the Tuono landed on it and used it as a frame slider when I went down in Colorado 2 years ago, and the capper: It was run over by an F350 dually towing a bigass horse trailer. It looks beat up, but works perfectly.

 

Is a legal speeding/water proof box worth the added trouble?

 

Haven't tried it, but it looks like a great product.

 

Is it worth it to integrate the sound from the V1 into my comm system, or are the visual alerts enough?

 

Very worth it. If you come up on someone with their radar on and the power turned way up, you'll probably see it in time. If they've got the power turned down to just work in their visual range, or if they're using instant-on, you're not likely to see it. Reminder: if they're using instant on, and they don't switch on until they've already picked you out and decided you're getting nailed (i.e. they are only using the radar to verify your speed.), then you're screwed even with audio integration.

 

Anything other words of wisdom I need to know about (besides slow down)?

 

The very first thing I did when we got the RS, was buy a mount and wire up the V1. The very first thing I did when I bought the Tuono was buy a mount and wire up the V1. The first thing I did when I bought the CBR600RR (and I was still planning on riding it on the street) was buy a mount and wire up the V1.

 

As for the other radar detectors, Fernando once said something like: If you buy a Passport 8500, you'll be happy with it. If someone loans you their V1, you'll sell your 8500 and buy a V1.

 

 

One thing, though: Don't be a moron. Keep your eyes open and keep up your scan. Be aware of places that are likely to have speed traps, and where it makes sense to speed and where it doesn't.

 

Some people say a detector means "no more warnings". I'm sure some LEO's are like that, but I've been pulled over a few times with my detector in place and plainly visible and I've always gotten a warning. (For that matter, the only ticket I ever got on the bike was before I had the detector.) So...I'm sure some cops are jerks about that, but not all are.

[Huzband]

You mean like the one You, Shannon, and I got stuck in coming back from Deal's Gap during the BRR?

 

That was nothin'.

 

I've been through much worse than that with it.

[Warren_H]

I'm thinking of upgrading to a V1 from an Escort Solo 2. Has anyone found a way to mount their V1 under the left side mirror? I would use a remote V1 visual alert.

 

I'm thinking it would be less visible if pulled over and give better rear protection.

[ShovelStrokeEd]

You are just about as transparent to radar as your windscreen. You might pick up a rear tracking Lidar a little better but, if you are alerting on that, you are hosed anyway.

 

Visual alerts have never worked for me. I spend far too much time looking where I am going and scanning my surroundings. When I'm rolling up the highway, I have my audio system working and the audio alerts, once you learn them, will tell you to slow RIGHT NOW, not when you happen to spot the light.

[Fugu]

To expand on Russel's comment about one connection for power and one for audio-

 

The V1 system is different. The power is routed via phone cords w/ RJ11 plugs from the power module to the remote audio adaptor to the detector itself. Obviously the cables also carry data bi-directionally.

 

So, if you mount the power supply and the remote audio adaptor permanently, stashed somewhere then all you have to do is unplug the detector.

 

Of course the remote audio module is $50 and you have to have it to get audio out to your comm system, but mine's stuck to my bike w/ nothing more than velcro and it hasn't walked away.

[bobbybob]

I'm still trying to get a handle on why the directional arrows on the V1 are so desireable. Is that the only difference between a V1 and another brand for $250 less? Someone please edumacate me!

[Agent_Orange]

Here. http://www.valentine1.com/

[bobbybob]

Here. http://www.valentine1.com/

 

OK, I read it. So the only difference is that the V1 has a rear facing antenna...? The Escort 8500 says it has "360 degree radar and laser protection"..so is that the same thing?

[bakerzdosen]

Well, this is subjective, but most V1 owners seem to think that V1's are much more sensitive to radar alerts than other detectors.

 

I am among that group.

 

However, you don't realize how much you would use the directional arrows until you have used the directional arrows and try a detector without them. So yes, to me, the difference is worth the additional $250. The fact that it's a better all around unit is a simply a free bonus.

[bobbybob]

Well, this is subjective, but most V1 owners seem to think that V1's are much more sensitive to radar alerts than other detectors.

 

I am among that group.

 

However, you don't realize how much you would use the directional arrows until you have used the directional arrows and try a detector without them. So yes, to me, the difference is worth the additional $250. The fact that it's a better all around unit is a simply a free bonus.

 

Please give me some examples of how I would use the directional arrows that I would find $250 attractive. And the Escort does promise 360 degree protection---so tell me how the arrows are better than just plain ole 360 protection?

[Fugu]

Please give me some examples of how I would use the directional arrows that I would find $250 attractive. And the Escort does promise 360 degree protection---so tell me how the arrows are better than just plain ole 360 protection?

 

Directional arrows PLUS bogey counter.

 

Every morning on my way to work I go past a strip mall. I always get 2 bogeys behind me as I crest a rise, always K band. It's noise.

 

Last week I crested that rise and heard the V1 sound. I looked down and saw my old friends, the 2 K band bogeys to my rear, PLUS another bogey to the side.

 

I slowed down.

 

As I continued to move and traffic moved, the side bogey moved to the front, and then a state trooper appeared merging on from a ramp to my side and pegged the signal. What I was getting was reflection from other cars he was hitting with his mobile radar.

 

But the point is that the location and the number of signals was different so I knew something was up and didn't roll past the merging cop at extra-legal speed.

 

 

 

As I understand the Escort, you would have gotten BEEP BEEP BEEP with no way to tell how many signals or where. You would not have known about the 3rd signal, and would have assumed it was the usual noise from the strip mall. Yes, I realize my post reads much like the "testimonials" on the V1 site. Believe me I have no vested interest in V1. I would love it if a $100 detector worked as well, but they don't.

 

I've owned Passport, Bel, and V1. I used to have a connection for Bel at cost and the Bel I still have was bought at cost, and was their best detector. The V1 is hands down the best performer. One is also hard pressed to find anybody saying anything to the contrary UNLESS they happen to be a vendor who sells passport or Bel - because Valentine sells direct only. So some of the places purporting to be unbiased reviews are nothing but shills.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[bobbybob]

Please give me some examples of how I would use the directional arrows that I would find $250 attractive. And the Escort does promise 360 degree protection---so tell me how the arrows are better than just plain ole 360 protection?

 

Directional arrows PLUS bogey counter.

 

Every morning on my way to work I go past a strip mall. I always get 2 bogeys behind me as I crest a rise, always K band. It's noise.

 

Last week I crested that rise and heard the V1 sound. I looked down and saw my old friends, the 2 K band bogeys to my rear, PLUS another bogey to the side.

 

I slowed down.

 

As I continued to move and traffic moved, the side bogey moved to the front, and then a state trooper appeared merging on from a ramp to my side and pegged the signal. What I was getting was reflection from other cars he was hitting with his mobile radar.

 

But the point is that the location and the number of signals was different so I knew something was up and didn't roll past the merging cop at extra-legal speed.

 

 

 

As I understand the Escort, you would have gotten BEEP BEEP BEEP with no way to tell how many signals or where. You would not have known about the 3rd signal, and would have assumed it was the usual noise from the strip mall. Yes, I realize my post reads much like the "testimonials" on the V1 site. Believe me I have no vested interest in V1. I would love it if a $100 detector worked as well, but they don't.

 

I've owned Passport, Bel, and V1. I used to have a connection for Bel at cost and the Bel I still have was bought at cost, and was their best detector. The V1 is hands down the best performer. One is also hard pressed to find anybody saying anything to the contrary UNLESS they happen to be a vendor who sells passport or Bel - because Valentine sells direct only. So some of the places purporting to be unbiased reviews are nothing but shills.

 

Thanks for the very detailed explanation. I'm not really sure if I *need* another source of distraction, i.e. arrows to watch. I can see how they might help, under certain circumstances. However, I come too close to disaster just watching my GPS sometimes. If ALL the various data "outputs" from any detector could be consolidated and channelled into one, digitized, bitchin-Betty voice that shouts "SLOW DOWN YOU MORON", I think I'd be happy. I'll probably get the Escort and spend the $250 on my first ticket.

 

BTW, I see other sellers for Valentine, not just direct. Example--> http://www.buyradardetectors.com/products/valentine/valentine-one.aspx

[Fugu]

Last time the question of other sellers came up, I called Valentine. I was told that there are no authorized dealers other than direct.

 

That could have changed in the last few months. Suggest you call them up.

 

If you buy a used V1 off Ebay, Valentine won't sell you accessories for it unless the registered owner notifies them of legal sale.

 

I bought one local from a guy off advrider, he had to tell Valentine I was the new owner and then they would sell me an audio adaptor.

 

I kinda like that -limits the market for stolen V1s.

[ShovelStrokeEd]

Another scenario for the bogey counter and the varying audio alerts. Riding down the highway nearing a construction zone. First alert is the false, or this is your speed, radar attached to the warning sign. Plain K-band beeps. 200 yds ahead, in the zone, lurks a trooper zapping folks with instant on. Second K-band alert shows up maybe or maybe not with a stronger audio signal. Bogey counter, at a glance, tells you how many and the arrows, right next to it tell you where they are.

 

That feature has saved my butt more than once.

[Jerry Johnston]

I'm still trying to get a handle on why the directional arrows on the V1 are so desireable. Is that the only difference between a V1 and another brand for $250 less? Someone please edumacate me!

It sure saves looking all around to see if it's a police car or a grocery store - even though the beeps give you a clue.

[bobbybob]

Another scenario for the bogey counter and the varying audio alerts. Riding down the highway nearing a construction zone. First alert is the false, or this is your speed, radar attached to the warning sign. Plain K-band beeps. 200 yds ahead, in the zone, lurks a trooper zapping folks with instant on. Second K-band alert shows up maybe or maybe not with a stronger audio signal. Bogey counter, at a glance, tells you how many and the arrows, right next to it tell you where they are.

 

That feature has saved my butt more than once.

 

 

Rather than analyzing all the different beeps, I'll just slow down to the speed limit when I hear the first one. Actually, all I really need is a fake radar detector that beeps at me every 5 minutes or so, just to keep me in line.

[bobbybob]

I'm still trying to get a handle on why the directional arrows on the V1 are so desireable. Is that the only difference between a V1 and another brand for $250 less? Someone please edumacate me!

It sure saves looking all around to see if it's a police car or a grocery store - even though the beeps give you a clue.

 

 

I guess I don't really care if its a cop or Trader Joes. I'll brake for grocery stores too.

[Fugu]

I guess I don't really care if its a cop or Trader Joes. I'll brake for grocery stores too.

 

You say that, but the reality is that with a detector that falses all the time, or sounds all the time and you don't know what it's beeping about, what will happen is you will tune it out, and the next thing you know the red lights you are seeing aren't on your dash.

[bobbybob]

I guess I don't really care if its a cop or Trader Joes. I'll brake for grocery stores too.

 

You say that, but the reality is that with a detector that falses all the time, or sounds all the time and you don't know what it's beeping about, what will happen is you will tune it out, and the next thing you know the red lights you are seeing aren't on your dash.

 

Thats a valid point. I guess thats what "City" & "Highway" modes are for on the Escort--the city mode lowers X band sensitivity somewhat to eliminate the door openers. Does the Valentine have those same modes? (Auto mode also)

[Fugu]

Thats a valid point. I guess thats what "City" & "Highway" modes are for on the Escort--the city mode lowers X band sensitivity somewhat to eliminate the door openers. Does the Valentine have those same modes? (Auto mode also)

 

No, the Valentine has the superior but lightly cryptic system of A for ALL SIGNALS (that's what I run on the open road), l for "logic", or some filtering, and L for LOGIC, or lots of filtering.

 

I never find the need to run in L, only l in the city.

 

The difference is in how the V1 logic works as compared to every other detector I've used, because it doesn't seem to reduce sensitivity very much at all on the stuff you need to know about but weeds out falses from door openers and the like.

 

REad up at the V1 site. There are no lies there that I've uncovered.

 

I'm not kidding when I say you should spend the money now, because if you are going to have a detector sooner or later you're going to own a V1 and spend the money later. May as well just skip to the end of the chase and get the right one first.

 

 

[bobbybob]

Thats a valid point. I guess thats what "City" & "Highway" modes are for on the Escort--the city mode lowers X band sensitivity somewhat to eliminate the door openers. Does the Valentine have those same modes? (Auto mode also)

 

No, the Valentine has the superior but lightly cryptic system of A for ALL SIGNALS (that's what I run on the open road), l for "logic", or some filtering, and L for LOGIC, or lots of filtering.

 

I never find the need to run in L, only l in the city.

 

The difference is in how the V1 logic works as compared to every other detector I've used, because it doesn't seem to reduce sensitivity very much at all on the stuff you need to know about but weeds out falses from door openers and the like.

 

REad up at the V1 site. There are no lies there that I've uncovered.

 

I'm not kidding when I say you should spend the money now, because if you are going to have a detector sooner or later you're going to own a V1 and spend the money later. May as well just skip to the end of the chase and get the right one first.

 

 

What you describe is virtually identical to what I just read in the Escort owners manual (you can download it from their site). Almost sounds like one copied the other. They just call it different things. 3 settings using someone's filtering logic.

 

Edit: Oops--looks like I just answered my own question. I see where Mike Valentine was the co-inventor of the first Escort detector!

[Fugu]

I know what the other manufacturers say their filters do.

 

What I'm saying is that the V1 actually does what they say.

 

And yes, Mike Valentine was at Escort when they were king of the hill. They are now, near as I can tell, nothing but a brand stuck on a junk detector living off what they were 20 years ago.

 

Please get whatever you are most comfortable with, and if it's not a V1 let us know when you get one of those so we can do the I told you so dance.

 

I was once where you are. I was convinced the V1 couldn't be much better than my top of the line at the time Bel. I was totally wrong.

 

 

[tallman]

I find radar tests data to be interesting reading and you can compare objective data as opposed to subjective experiences.

Long Range Detection

"The top reporting detector was the Beltronics STi averaging 89% of maximum signal strength with 100% on X band and 100% on Ka band. It was followed closely by the Passport 9500i and the Valentine One."

 

www.speedzones.com/

 

www.007radardetectors.com/tests.htm

 

I'm sure other tests may show something different, but this teat was done in July, 2008.

 

Short range results were a bit different and the Whisler edged the Valentine.

Read this and others.

radartest.com/

 

Or, stay w/in a range of speed, use rabbits, be observant, and keep your fingers croseed.

Best wishes.

[Fugu]

I find radar tests data to be interesting reading and you can compare objective data as opposed to subjective experiences.

 

If the source is objective and many are not despite claiming they are, or they test for silly things.

 

The Bel gave a 100% reading, the V1 a 97% reading. Who cares? A $25 K40 will give you a strong reading when you run over a radar gun.

 

I'm slowing down at a 25% reading and I want to know where that point is, and how reliable it is. You dig?

 

 

also, one of those tests appeared to rank the V1 first anyhow.

 

 

I've said my peace. I've read the reviews, I've spent the money. I would have spent 1/2 as much on detectors the last 10 years had I bought a V1 first and upgraded the software twice.

 

 

 

 

[DavidEBSmith]

BTW, I see other sellers for Valentine, not just direct. Example--> http://www.buyradardetectors.com/products/valentine/valentine-one.aspx

 

Um, why would you pay $499 from an unauthorized seller when it's $399 from Valentine?????

 

From the Valentine website:

 

We sell directly to our customers only. We've never used dealers or distributors, and we have no plans to start now.

 

Valentine One is a uniquely conceived, high technology, security device for customers who expect top performance; we know exactly how it works and we have experts at 1-800 331 3030 who can answer all your questions and assure your satisfaction. Dealers who sell multiple products rarely have the same motivation.

 

Occasionally a few entrepreneurs act as if they're dealers or distributors. They're not; they pay the same list prices we ask of all comers.

 

In addition to having a great product, Valentine has customer service that's among the best I've ever encountered. I left my V1 out in the rain and sent it in for service. The tech called me when he was working on it, said he couldn't find anything wrong with it (it had apparently dried out) but would open it up and clean it and check it anyway, they sent it back via FedEx and didn't charge me anything.

 

 

[bobbybob]

<<<"Um, why would you pay $499 from an unauthorized seller when it's $399 from Valentine?????">>>

 

Um....I wouldn't.

 

 

 

<<<"I left my V1 out in the rain and sent it in for service.">>>

 

You can't be serious...?

[russell_bynum]

BTW, I see other sellers for Valentine, not just direct. Example--> http://www.buyradardetectors.com/products/valentine/valentine-one.aspx

 

Um, why would you pay $499 from an unauthorized seller when it's $399 from Valentine?????

 

From the Valentine website:

 

We sell directly to our customers only. We've never used dealers or distributors, and we have no plans to start now.

 

Valentine One is a uniquely conceived, high technology, security device for customers who expect top performance; we know exactly how it works and we have experts at 1-800 331 3030 who can answer all your questions and assure your satisfaction. Dealers who sell multiple products rarely have the same motivation.

 

Occasionally a few entrepreneurs act as if they're dealers or distributors. They're not; they pay the same list prices we ask of all comers.

 

In addition to having a great product, Valentine has customer service that's among the best I've ever encountered. I left my V1 out in the rain and sent it in for service. The tech called me when he was working on it, said he couldn't find anything wrong with it (it had apparently dried out) but would open it up and clean it and check it anyway, they sent it back via FedEx and didn't charge me anything.

 

 

Yep to all of that.

[russell_bynum]

Please give me some examples of how I would use the directional arrows that I would find $250 attractive. And the Escort does promise 360 degree protection---so tell me how the arrows are better than just plain ole 360 protection?

 

You're buzzing along and get a K-band alert. It's weak, but getting stronger. You know that most legit radar in this area are usually Ka, so this is probably one of those annoying "your speed is" signs.

 

V1 will tell you that it's behind you. Since it's getting stronger, that says it is a LEO coming up on you from behind. Time to roll off and dial the speed back a bit.

 

Or you're rolling along and you get two hits, Ka band. You pass a CHP on the side of the road.

 

V1 will tell you the other source is still ahead...a second car waiting for you. Or it will tell you that both sources were from that one car (he's shooting radar out the front and back, and the forward-facing stuff is bouncing off of a big road sign back at you.

 

I've used the Pasport 8500...it's a very nice unit. But...when I was using the Passport, it's owner was using my V1. after that trip, he bought a V1.

[bobbybob]

Please give me some examples of how I would use the directional arrows that I would find $250 attractive. And the Escort does promise 360 degree protection---so tell me how the arrows are better than just plain ole 360 protection?

 

You're buzzing along and get a K-band alert. It's weak, but getting stronger. You know that most legit radar in this area are usually Ka, so this is probably one of those annoying "your speed is" signs.

 

V1 will tell you that it's behind you. Since it's getting stronger, that says it is a LEO coming up on you from behind. Time to roll off and dial the speed back a bit.

 

Or you're rolling along and you get two hits, Ka band. You pass a CHP on the side of the road.

 

V1 will tell you the other source is still ahead...a second car waiting for you. Or it will tell you that both sources were from that one car (he's shooting radar out the front and back, and the forward-facing stuff is bouncing off of a big road sign back at you.

 

I've used the Pasport 8500...it's a very nice unit. But...when I was using the Passport, it's owner was using my V1. after that trip, he bought a V1.

 

 

Thanks Russell, I don't doubt any of that. But, for me, I don't see that extra bang being worth the extra bux, so I'll probably order the Passport 8500-X50 for $199. It also shows multiple radar sources and their types & strength if you switch it into "Expert Mode". And the X-band sensitivity can be lowered or shut off completely if you want to eliminate the "falsies". But as I said earlier, I'll be happy just to get a nice loud beep and slow down for a while.

[ghaverkamp]

I am always amazed when people dismiss the arrows, as some of the reviewers in those "reviews" do.

[DavidEBSmith]

Here's my V1 arrows story: I was riding up the Maine Turnpike next to a car that had some other brand of radar detector. My V1 and the other detector in the car were both showing radar, fading in and out. My V1 showed it ahead. A state trooper went by going the other direction, and the driver of the car decided that the trooper was the radar source, and hit the gas. The arrows on my V1 were still showing radar ahead, so I just sat back and watched the car with the other brand of radar detector speed by the unmarked state trooper that was about a tenth of a mile ahead of us and very quickly get pulled over.

 

$200 is cheap compared to one speeding ticket and an increase in insurance rates for 3 years.

 

And if you really think this:

 

 

is easier to read at speed than two arrows and a digit, then, buy the Escort. But, lots of people sell their Escorts to buy a V1, hardly anybody goes the other way.

[OoPEZoO]

$200 is cheap compared to one speeding ticket and an increase in insurance rates for 3 years.

 

That right there is worth the price of admission for me. You CAN'T GET a ticket in PA/MD under ~$92. That just covers the fees and red tape. If its a speeding ticket, it goes WAY up from there. A typical speeding ticket around here will run you $130+. Then there is the insurance hike. I'm still under 30 and commute 600 miles a week.......its not cheap to start with. I don't even want to think about how a ticket would effect my insurance, its bad enough already (even though I have NEVER had a claim filed and there are no tickets on my record)

[bobbybob]

Here's my V1 arrows story: I was riding up the Maine Turnpike next to a car that had some other brand of radar detector. My V1 and the other detector in the car were both showing radar, fading in and out. My V1 showed it ahead. A state trooper went by going the other direction, and the driver of the car decided that the trooper was the radar source, and hit the gas. The arrows on my V1 were still showing radar ahead, so I just sat back and watched the car with the other brand of radar detector speed by the unmarked state trooper that was about a tenth of a mile ahead of us and very quickly get pulled over.

 

$200 is cheap compared to one speeding ticket and an increase in insurance rates for 3 years.

 

And if you really think this:

 

 

is easier to read at speed than two arrows and a digit, then, buy the Escort. But, lots of people sell their Escorts to buy a V1, hardly anybody goes the other way.

 

What brand did the other driver have? Since you were able to read his display from a speedng motorcycle driving down a turnpike, I think I'd like to have one just like his!!