Santron Posted October 17, 2007 Posted October 17, 2007 I am in Colorado this week and just got a well deserved Performance Award (he wrote me up for 59 in a 40 zone instead of the 61 that I was actually doing). I am wondering if I just pay the fine, if it will show up on my CA record. I ran across a web site that says: In general most US states belong to the Nonresident Violator Compact of 1977. This means that speeding tickets received out of your home state will be reported back to your home state and included on your record for drivers license and insurance points. However there are certain states that do not put out of state traffic tickets on your record and others that will only enter speeding tickets that are over a certain mph above the speed limit. Kansas, Wyoming, Minnesota, Arizona, Iowa, and South Dakota will not put a speeding ticket on record unless it is 10 or more mph over the limit. Georgia will not enter speeding tickets unless they are more than 14 mph over the limit. New York and Colorado will not enter out of state speeding tickets at all unless they are serious violations like reckless. Michigan also has special rules about out of state tickets. Do you read this as "Colorado won't put it into the system unless it is serious", or "Colorado won't read from the system unless it is serious" The next step, of course, is traffic school. I have 8 vehicles so I would REALLY like to keep this off of my record...
Paul Mihalka Posted October 17, 2007 Posted October 17, 2007 In Maryland out-of-state tickets get on your record but don't generate points. DAMHIK
TowJam Posted October 17, 2007 Posted October 17, 2007 See if your state has online defensive driving courses and if they apply to motorcylists . If so, they are by far and away the least painful way of keeping the ticket off your record. (Don't ask me how I know.) Some states will also allow you to take MSF/ERC to dismiss a ticket.
smiller Posted October 17, 2007 Posted October 17, 2007 The state of California may or may not ever know about the ticket but your insurance company will, and that's all that really matters. Get it dismissed via traffic school if you can.
motoguy128 Posted October 17, 2007 Posted October 17, 2007 Also find out you insurance providers policy. State Farm has never raised my rates due to speeding tickets. I've been told it's only raised for suspended licenses (DUI or points). Sounds fair to me. I know that when I transferred my lisense from Illinois to Iowa, my previous tickets must not have been carried over because otherwise I should have gotten a license suspenson for 3 tickets in 12 months. I got rid on my sportbike after that and don;t speed excessively in my car. I think I grew out of riding at excessive speeds on a regular basis. I've now only gotten pulled over once in the last 3 years and about 30,000 miles (I have a very short commute to work) since I moved to Iowa.
superjohn Posted October 17, 2007 Posted October 17, 2007 I got a lawyer and got the charges reduced to the point that the state I received my award in didn't reciprocate back to my home state.
Dave McReynolds Posted October 17, 2007 Posted October 17, 2007 I got a speeding ticket on the way home from Torrey, in the 50 mph zone that goes on forever as you approach Carson City. The dumb thing about it was that on the way to Torrey, I watched someone get pulled over in the same zone, and made a mental note to myself not to do something stupid like that. Which I did, of course, because on the way back there was a 50 mph zone that changed back to a 70 mph zone, which I noticed, and then back to a 50 mph zone which, I didn't notice. I called the clerk of the Nevada court, and she said there was no traffic school option in Nevada, but not to worry about it too much because Nevada didn't report tickets to CA. Of course, as was mentioned above, maybe my insurance co will pick up on it anyway. But then someone else mentioned that I might be able to attend CA traffic school and get it waived? How does that work? Since traffic school is discretionary county by county, where would I apply for traffic school? And if I do apply for CA traffic school, would I be shooting myself in the foot by notifying CA of a ticket that they otherwise wouldn't be notified of? I would feel better about it if I was hooning around, but I REALLY was trying to avoid a ticket, and got one anyway.
Santron Posted October 17, 2007 Author Posted October 17, 2007 I just spoke with the Clerk of the court in Dillon, CO. She said explicitely that there are 5 states that CO does not share info with as part of the compact, and CA is one of them. She said that if I wanted to, there was someone she could hook me up with to lessen the fine, but as long as I pay it, the info will not go on to CA. The fine is $70, and I could really care less about that. I even asked her twice, and the answer was explicitely was that CO does not share this information with CA. WooHoo! But I will definitely slow it down from now on....
Kris Posted October 17, 2007 Posted October 17, 2007 Also find out you insurance providers policy. State Farm has never raised my rates due to speeding tickets. I've been told it's only raised for suspended licenses (DUI or points). I don't know about Iowa, but State Farm does raise rates with each point you receive on your record in California. California talks to most states nowadays, and I'd just assume the point will get picked up by Ca DMV - My advice, as an agent, I'd do everything possible to take traffic school or whatever other options they've provided. Even if it costs you $400 to fly back for a day to take the school in person... you'll save more than that over the 3 years the point sits on your record. Think about this (California) - The Insurance company sees a point appear on your record... well, they're assuming you've actually had 2 tickets in 18 months... since in California you can take traffic school once every 18 months to remove a ticket. One point makes a big difference. I do know that Nevada has a speed limit (10mph of limit) where they don't report, they actually treat it as an annoyance ticket - I tested that policy on my way home from Spring Torrey this year. /end of advice. kris Ca Ins. Lic# 0F14398
Kris Posted October 17, 2007 Posted October 17, 2007 I just spoke with the Clerk of the court in Dillon, CO. She said explicitely that there are 5 states that CO does not share info with as part of the compact, and CA is one of them. She said that if I wanted to, there was someone she could hook me up with to lessen the fine, but as long as I pay it, the info will not go on to CA. The fine is $70, and I could really care less about that. I even asked her twice, and the answer was explicitely was that CO does not share this information with CA. WooHoo! But I will definitely slow it down from now on.... That's very good news!! Disregard most of my advice... it now only applies to the other states in the west (I know Oregon and Washington communicate... more personal experience!). kris
DavidEBSmith Posted October 17, 2007 Posted October 17, 2007 But don't assume that just because CO doesn't send the information to CA, that State Farm won't get it, because insurance companies collect info everywhere. The fine can be insignificant in comparison to increased insurance rates for 3 years. And that's about all I can say without providing legal advice, which I'm not and won't.
Santron Posted October 17, 2007 Author Posted October 17, 2007 Yeah, it is an interesting game. Nearly ALL of the websites out there that pruport to have aswwers on this stuff are run by attorneys who specialize in this stuff and want to sell you, or people trying to sell some other get-out-of-a-ticket stuff, so objective advice is difficult to find! I am a little worried that my insurance company will find out anyway (Costco/Amex for car and Progressive for the bikes), so I should probably look into traffic school anyway to make sure that it never becomes a conviction, even in CO...
mbelectric Posted October 18, 2007 Posted October 18, 2007 Most insurance companies get info from outside sources...You cannot escape the information highway. For instance, 2 years ago I got a performance award in a southern california county...I still get notices from the information gathering source that read " This notice has been provided to your insurance company". MB>
CoarsegoldKid Posted October 18, 2007 Posted October 18, 2007 I got one in Washington State and one in Florida. Both showed up on my record.
moshe_levy Posted October 18, 2007 Posted October 18, 2007 The fine difference between states is incredible, though. Terri and I rode cross country this year, and we were cruising along in Wyoming at 95 mph, as the speed limit was posted 75 mph. We figured that Wyoming was like New Jersey, where 15-20 mph above the posted limit was tolerated. Obviously, we thought wrong! Anyway, the trooper was very nice about it, and gave us the tickets and demanded we pay the fine ($45 each) on the spot. $45 each! In New Jersey, that fine would be roughly ten times that, plus surcharges and other fees. We also don't have the luxury of paying on the spot in NJ, likely because few people carry the required sacks of cash to pay this state's outrageous fines with them at all times. Anyway, we paid and moved on, and slowed it down. Oh, and that ticket DID show up on our records - a mere two points, which again is much, much lower than 20 mph over would get you here in this armpit of a state..... -MKL
Paul Mihalka Posted October 18, 2007 Posted October 18, 2007 Couple of years ago I got one in Iowa. According to the trooper airplane had me at 84, he paced me at 79, in a 65 zone. Trooper reduced it to 74. It was a $43.- ticket. I think it was the lowest cost ticket I ever had here in the USA.
motoguy128 Posted October 18, 2007 Posted October 18, 2007 I've had 4 performance awards in the last 6-1/2 years. None of them changed my insurance rates. 1 of them I got probation for. 2 were in Illinois, 2 in Iowa. 3 on sportbikes, 1 in a car. I've gotten 1 warning in WI on my BMW... riding 2-up doing 65 in a 55 riding all alone just relaxing behind hte windscreen trying to make a little time... LAME!
Little Joe Posted October 18, 2007 Posted October 18, 2007 California is not a Compact State. More like a Full-Size or Luxury.
MrHondamatic Posted October 18, 2007 Posted October 18, 2007 My son got a nasty one in Florida a few years ago. He paid a $300 fine, but it never showed up on his Indiana record, nor his insurance. We never mentioned it to those folks either.
Fasterpill Posted October 18, 2007 Posted October 18, 2007 much lower than 20 mph over would get you here in this armpit of a state Not to mention what doing 95 MPH anywhere in NJ would get you!! The difference is amazing.
quaintance Posted October 18, 2007 Posted October 18, 2007 my little anecdotal experience with CO and CA DMV's communicating with eachother: back in '95 when I moved to CO after growing up in SoCal.. about a week before my move I was given a $120 ticket for being on the beach after 10PM.. I'd spent my whole life in Dana Point/Laguna beach and had never once heard about this law but sure enough, was pointed to a sandblasted, barely readable in daylight sign stating this very fact. oh well... We even watched the officer stop and speak to several others on the beach before approaching us and figured he was just nailing them for open containers or whatnot. so.. I figured to hell with them! I'm moving to CO I don't really care, they can shove it. what can I say, I was young. fast forward to 2001 and getting my motorcycle endorsement.. walking proudly into the DMV with my MSF card only to be told I can't do anything with my license until I clear up this misdemeanor in CA. I have 30 days or my license is suspended.. ugh. I call the CADMV #, explain the situation and am immediately put on hold... my mind spins wildly out of control believing they're going to come back and tell me I owe thousands of dollars or jail time for this stupid ticket. after about 15min the lady comes back and says "ok, its all cleared up.. have a nice day" "eh? all cleared up?" "yes.. that ticket was years ago.. I just removed it". woohoo, I fell in love with the CA DMV that day.
bvaughan Posted October 18, 2007 Posted October 18, 2007 California is not a Compact State. incorrect. see Cal. Veh. Code sec. 15000 et seq. ca dmv also has a schedule of one and two point assessments for out of state violations. if the court clerk in Dillon was correct, it would seem to be anomalous. it would be nice to know if it works.
smiller Posted October 18, 2007 Posted October 18, 2007 "eh? all cleared up?" "yes.. that ticket was years ago.. I just removed it". The California DMV did that..?? Did you see Rod Sterling standing around anywhere by chance?
velomoto Posted October 18, 2007 Posted October 18, 2007 The fine difference between states is incredible, though. Terri and I rode cross country this year, and we were cruising along in Wyoming at 95 mph, as the speed limit was posted 75 mph. We figured that Wyoming was like New Jersey, where 15-20 mph above the posted limit was tolerated. Obviously, we thought wrong!Welcome to Wyoming I've met many people who have received tickets on the interstate at 5 over the limit. Guess when they say "limit", that's in fact what they mean!
Davitt_Potter Posted October 18, 2007 Posted October 18, 2007 No doubt about WY, and SD to some extent. I go to Denver, CO from Black Hawk, SD from time to time, and you learn to watch it in SD and WY. You can usually push 5 over, but more than that is asking for it. 71 in a 65 outside of Hawk Springs once - warning; 92 in a 65 near Lusk (paid for that one!). They're usually not real rude, just 'speed limit is X, pay up'. A buddy's Dad was stopped for 71 in a 70 in North Dakota. It was a warning, but it was "Hey, sir, just wanted to let you know that our speed limit here in North Dakota is 70, not 75 like South Dakota." And Montana ... sigh. I miss Montana. Went to Bozeman for a college ski trip, set the cruise at 105mph once we hit the MT border. The rule was "reasonable and prudent", and the fee was $5 for speeding (during daylight hours).
tgrrdr Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 California is not a Compact State. I'm not really sure what this means, but several years ago I got a speeding ticket in Utah (65 in a 55 IIRC) and it showed up on my CA DMV printout.
TommyboyinNC Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 http://www.tixnix.com/index.cfm I used this guy and it worked out pretty well. No points but ~$500.00 lighter. T
grizzly660fan Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Welcome to Wyoming I've met many people who have received tickets on the interstate at 5 over the limit. Guess when they say "limit", that's in fact what they mean! hmm, I have driven wyoming interstate a lot in cage and on a bike and never been bothered by law enforcement at 5 over (thats 80 in a 75mph zone a lot of the time). now, got pulled over in the cage by colorado hwy patrol just north of fort collins southbound on 25 for 5 over. my wife was 6 months pregnant and had to "go" and we were rushing towards that rest area there. the female officer ended up giving a warning and then escort to rest area. after the rest area, we drove the rest of the way at posted limit and I was a speed bump in traffic as everyone was going much faster than me. I guess it goes to show, you can never know when its your turn for a performance award?
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