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I just received my re-up for the AMA.

The magazine really is'nt worth much (IMHO)

Any reason I should write the check? Or should I pass?

I am a member of the BMW MOA if that makes any difference either way

Comments welcome please

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The only reason I continue to renew year after year is that the AMA is really the only legitimate voice motorcyclists have in government. The magazine is crap, but the legislative issues they address are why they get my $$ annually.

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I passed on re-upping my AMA membership. As stated the mag has gone downhill. Nothing but ads. I think the MOA mag has diminished in quality as well.

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Paul Mihalka
The only reason I continue to renew year after year is that the AMA is really the only legitimate voice motorcyclists have in government. The magazine is crap, but the legislative issues they address are why they get my $$ annually.
Same here.
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I am from Canada and I am an AMA member for the same reason!!! Any legislation passed in the US will impact all riders regardless of where they live... It is not that expensive, we spend a lot more on doodas or restaurant or drinks or....

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I passed on re-upping my AMA membership. As stated the mag has gone downhill. Nothing but ads. I think the MOA mag has diminished in quality as well.

 

You are kidding, right? grin.gif

 

The ON is getting better and better. More pages of content, lots more color. Compare issues one year or two years ago with any month this year. I don't seen how they have gone anywhere but up in quality and quantity.

 

The BMW (bitch, moan and whine) folks who said the sky would fall when the new media team was hired has been proven wrong. And some of them have even admitted so on the MOA forum. clap.gif

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The only reason I continue to renew year after year is that the AMA is really the only legitimate voice motorcyclists have in government. The magazine is crap, but the legislative issues they address are why they get my $$ annually.

 

 

And when was the last time the AMA actually won any court battles or had any laws revolked?

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IMO, the AMA is a radical political "libertarian" organization, not unlike the NRA. When AMA stops fighting helmet laws -- even for minors -- actively promotes safety and protective gear and sponsors riding courses nationwide and stops coddling and defending the straight-pipes crowd, maybe I'll join. Go to their website and you'll see all kinds of feature stories, special deals, etc., but search for the word "safety" anywhere on their home page ... buzzzzz! no match. The AMA doesn't represent me as a motorcyclist. /soapbox

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SteveSardone

the difference between the NRA and the AMA is that the NRA has a constitutional amendment to defend. I don't remember reading about our right to ride any way we want, blah, blah, blah.....

 

Steve

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IMO, the AMA is a radical political "libertarian" organization, not unlike the NRA. When AMA stops fighting helmet laws -- even for minors -- actively promotes safety and protective gear and sponsors riding courses nationwide and stops coddling and defending the straight-pipes crowd, maybe I'll join. Go to their website and you'll see all kinds of feature stories, special deals, etc., but search for the word "safety" anywhere on their home page ... buzzzzz! no match. The AMA doesn't represent me as a motorcyclist. /soapbox

 

More reading is clearly needed on your part, frankly I don't think you have ever read any of their position statements.

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/legisltn/issues.asp

 

......here is a direct quote from their position statement on helmets:

 

The Association will not oppose laws requiring helmets for minor motorcycle riders and passengers. It believes that many young motorcyclists and passengers may lack the maturity to make an informed decision regarding the use of motorcycle helmets.

 

Here is the link to the Sound Advice Document (79 pages), read it for yourself.

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/legisltn/Sound_Advice.asp

 

And in case your worried about racing here is a link to the new dB levels announced for both pro and amateur for the 2008, 2009 and 2010 seasons.....remember that this test is conducted from 20 inches (and is an SAE certified test) as the federal procedure is a 50ft. test and not practical or cost effective at an event (I am a certified J-1287 tester actually)......

 

http://www.amamotocross.com/article.php?...7bb9c7d609c94d8

 

Here's a few safety links you must have missed....weird, I put the word safety in the upper right hand search field and they came right up....

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2005/Safetyconference.asp

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/study/

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2005/Transportation_Bill.asp

 

http://www.ama-cycle.org/legisltn/releases/2002/G02022.asp

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/roadride/NewRider/startright.asp

 

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The only reason I continue to renew year after year is that the AMA is really the only legitimate voice motorcyclists have in government. The magazine is crap, but the legislative issues they address are why they get my $$ annually.

 

 

And when was the last time the AMA actually won any court battles or had any laws revolked?

 

Pick one....... confused.gif

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2007/WA.asp

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2006/CAlaw.asp

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2006/NYlaw.asp

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2006/MOlaw.asp

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2006/VTsheriff.asp

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2006/LAlaw.asp

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2006/WIlaw.asp

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2006/GAlaw.asp

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2006/Laws.asp

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2006/OHfund.asp

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2006/Iowalaw.asp

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2006/wvlaw.asp

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2006/EPA.asp

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2006/VAcouncil.asp

 

http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2006/OHhelmetbill.asp

 

Not one was done by the AMA alone, and this information is all on there web site.

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Over the past 26 years I have joined AMA three times, each time because I wanted to do an AMA sanctioned event like road racing or an off road enduro. Once that is over with, I let it expire. The magazine is no big deal, and their marketing strategy of creating a fear of loss does not appeal to me.

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The AMA opposes helmet laws. While the AMA says they "don't oppose" helmet laws for minors, they don't "promote" them, obviously because that would be hypocritical. Helmet laws that apply only to minors are very difficult to enforce, although they're better than no law.

 

Yes, if you type "safety" into the search field you'll get hits, but that's not what I said. What I said is that the word safety does not appear anywhere on their home page, either in text or as a topic in general which tells me a lot about the AMA priorities.

 

It's the AMA's and members' right to oppose helmet laws and that's fine. I disagree strongly and will never join the AMA.

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Wow.......when is the last time any individual or organization did anything significant "alone".....

 

Feel free not to join (I rarely solicite folks to join) but at least do it for a credible reason.

 

Better yet find another more effective group and let me know so I can support them. lurker.giflurker.giflurker.gif

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For those of you who have a bone to pick with the AMA, consider that the organization exists to represent ALL motorcycle riders, not just you. That's a pretty difficult task when motorcycling is the most balkanized hobby in this country. I'm sure every motorcyclist can find some AMA action or position that they disagree with, and if everybody withdrew their support because of it there would be no representation for any of our interests. If you don't like something the AMA is doing, become a member and make your voice heard within the organization.

 

Dave

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Aluminum_Butt

Better yet find another more effective group and let me know so I can support them.

 

Amen, brother.

 

Who was it that got one of our own out of an HOV violation in Arizona with a simple phone call? And, insured that the local authorities there will likely never make the same mistake again?

 

They sanction a lot of events for dirt riders - a lot of it geared toward youth. That will raise a whole new generation of riders, who will hopefully be more prepared to be responsible street riders.

 

They provide insurance for our local club (and presumably a lot of others) for our rallies.

 

I don't get the (apparent) argument that the AMA should be in favor of helmet laws. I'd have to guess that the bulk of their constituency is not in favor of helmet laws. They should promote responsible riding, and they do.

 

They take an active role in helping legislators to craft bills in such a way as to be motorcycle-friendly.

 

For me, it's a no brainer.

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I don't get the (apparent) argument that the AMA should be in favor of helmet laws. I'd have to guess that the bulk of their constituency is not in favor of helmet laws.

 

I don't argue that the AMA should be "in favor" of helmet laws. The AMA actively opposes helmet laws as a political "libertarian" issue. The AMA constituency supports that political stance, and that's fine. I'm not among their constituency. Some people still oppose seat belt laws as a libertarian issue, but they're fewer and fewer lately (dying off?).

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I don't argue that the AMA should be "in favor" of helmet laws.

 

That doesn't make any sense. If you feel strongly about helmet laws, why don't you?

 

The AMA is the most important and influential organization on motorcycling in the US. Like it or not, if you ride a motorcycle in the US, you are part of the AMA's constituency and their actions do affect you.

 

Dave

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Lets_Play_Two
I just received my re-up for the AMA.

The magazine really is'nt worth much (IMHO)

Any reason I should write the check? Or should I pass?

I am a member of the BMW MOA if that makes any difference either way

Comments welcome please

 

I am not sure why you are asking others to decide if you should join an organization. I am sure after this response you have a much clearer picture of what you should do. confused.gif

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I don't argue that the AMA should be "in favor" of helmet laws.

 

That doesn't make any sense. If you feel strongly about helmet laws, why don't you?

 

It makes perfect sense. I do feel strongly about helmet laws, but there's no way the AMA will change their political stance on that. And to the AMA it is a political stance, which is fine as long as it's advertised as such -- it's not about statistics, deaths and such, it's about "personal freedom." I would not require the AMA to "favor" helmet laws in order for me to join, I only would require that they stop actively fighting helmet laws everywhere on political libertarian grounds. That's not going to happen, so I choose not to be a member and not to provide dues for them to fight helmet laws.

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The AMA opposes helmet laws. While the AMA says they "don't oppose" helmet laws for minors, they don't "promote" them, obviously because that would be hypocritical. Helmet laws that apply only to minors are very difficult to enforce, although they're better than no law.

 

Yes, if you type "safety" into the search field you'll get hits, but that's not what I said. What I said is that the word safety does not appear anywhere on their home page, either in text or as a topic in general which tells me a lot about the AMA priorities.

 

It's the AMA's and members' right to oppose helmet laws and that's fine. I disagree strongly and will never join the AMA.

 

I am right there with ya. What I want to know is why everyone stops the discussion at helmets? IMO, not only should helmets be required for EVERYONE EVERYWHERE, so should some degree of protection for all exposed skin. I am talking gloves, shirts, pants. To me, the rider wearing a helmet and a T-shirt is as big of an idiot as the rider with no helmet at all. For those of you who are about to shoot me, go get in your car, drive 20mph, open your door, and drag your hand on the road for 20 or 30 yards. Then tell me which part of your body you are willing to expose that to!

 

Now don't get me wrong, I am not actually calling people idiots and trying to be mean or anything like that, I am just on a rant here! So my point is, when will they or anyone address safety beyond helmets? Can we at least have our motorcycle cops promote safety with what they wear??

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I'm right there with you, too. Why stop at jackets and gloves? Let's put a steel shell around you and 7 airbags. Might as well add a few more wheels so you don't fall over when you hit something or somebody. Geez. If you thing helmets are a good idea, wear one. If you think gloves are a good idea, wear them. But get off your high horse and stop vilifying those who have different priorities/risk assessment than you do.

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To me, the rider wearing a helmet and a T-shirt is as big of an idiot as the rider with no helmet at all.

 

I agree with this statement 100%.

 

However, I don't see how that justifies criminalizing exposed skin. That sounds like something the Taliban would do.

 

And the AMA does promote and encourage the use of riding gear. For example:

 

The Art of Riding a Motorcycle - Getting in Gear

 

They could do more, but not if everybody who cares about it sits on the sidelines bitching and moaning. It's like abstaining from voting. Just as the federal executive branch represents us to foreign governments whether we agree with them or not, the AMA represents us as riders whether we agree with them or not.

 

Dave

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But get off your high horse and stop vilifying those who have different priorities/risk assessment than you do.

 

Relax, Relax. I am not on a high horse and I am not taking action with my thoughts only verbalizing them. That is still a right, isn't it? If you don't like the show change the channel or turn off the TV, no kidding. Did I say that my views are worthy of a law, letter for letter of my rant, no. It is just a thought about another way of looking at things. I only apply my thoughts to me.

 

So don't worry, if I see you on the road, I'll still wave, no matter what you are wearing. wave.gif

 

If you are wearing a full riding suit... I may even blow you a kiss. lmao.gif

 

Can you at least back me that it is silly for cops to wear a helmet and a T-shirt? You wanna keep the T-shirt, fine, just get rid of the helmet cause you're not fooling anyone into thinking you're being safe.

 

Hope I've cleared the air a little. Bottom line, it's still us against them.

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The AMA opposes helmet laws. While the AMA says they "don't oppose" helmet laws for minors, they don't "promote" them, obviously because that would be hypocritical. Helmet laws that apply only to minors are very difficult to enforce, although they're better than no law.

 

Yes, if you type "safety" into the search field you'll get hits, but that's not what I said. What I said is that the word safety does not appear anywhere on their home page, either in text or as a topic in general which tells me a lot about the AMA priorities.

 

It's the AMA's and members' right to oppose helmet laws and that's fine. I disagree strongly and will never join the AMA.

 

I am right there with ya. What I want to know is why everyone stops the discussion at helmets? IMO, not only should helmets be required for EVERYONE EVERYWHERE, so should some degree of protection for all exposed skin. I am talking gloves, shirts, pants. To me, the rider wearing a helmet and a T-shirt is as big of an idiot as the rider with no helmet at all. For those of you who are about to shoot me, go get in your car, drive 20mph, open your door, and drag your hand on the road for 20 or 30 yards. Then tell me which part of your body you are willing to expose that to!

 

Now don't get me wrong, I am not actually calling people idiots and trying to be mean or anything like that, I am just on a rant here! So my point is, when will they or anyone address safety beyond helmets? Can we at least have our motorcycle cops promote safety with what they wear??

 

+1

 

I cringe when I see our (Illinios) m/c LEO's riding with no protective jacket or pants. Short sleeve shirts no less.

 

And it's not about the money. Heck, our Governor is spending $6.000.00 per day to fly from Chicago to Springfield and back even though we provide a residence for him in Springfield. confused.gif

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per day[/b] to fly from Chicago to Springfield and back even though we provide a residence for him in Springfield. confused.gif

 

Please oh please don't get me started on Blagoje-schmuck! dopeslap.gif

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I am right there with ya. What I want to know is why everyone stops the discussion at helmets? IMO, not only should helmets be required for EVERYONE EVERYWHERE, so should some degree of protection for all exposed skin. I am talking gloves, shirts, pants. To me, the rider wearing a helmet and a T-shirt is as big of an idiot as the rider with no helmet at all. For those of you who are about to shoot me, go get in your car, drive 20mph, open your door, and drag your hand on the road for 20 or 30 yards. Then tell me which part of your body you are willing to expose that to!

 

Why does it even begin to matter to you what I choose to do? It's not affecting you. If I decide to drag a glove in a corner, drag my knuckles when I walk or drag a knee on a track day, as others have said, it's about my degree of risk acceptance.

 

Perhaps you can find better pursuits than trying to remove my rights? I don't mean to be bitchy about this, but, as one of those lobbying groups likes to say, "Keep your laws off my body!" wave.gif

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American Motorcyclist Association

Robert Rasor, President

13515 Yarmouth Drive

Pickering, OH 43147

 

Dear Mr. Rasor:

 

I recently received yet another unsolicited invitation to join the AMA. As your records may indicate, I was a member in the 70s, part of the 80s, and then again in the 90s, but I allowed my membership to lapse.

 

In my opinion, the AMA has failed to perform, and continues to fail to make any meaningful effort, or achieve any real results. Your letterhead indicates “Rights. Riding. Racing”, but the reality is far different.

 

Rights. Riding: Here in Massachusetts, virtually all of our off-road riding areas on public land were taken from us, despite environmental groups who testified at the public hearings that the motorcyclists were not a problem, and that in fact motorcyclists did much of the work of maintaining and cleaning up the trails. The AMA sent out some postcards, but apparently, the effort stopped there. That was some years ago, and the AMA has apparently spent not a single dollar to fight this since. Thousands of riders who cannot use public lands anymore and the AMA takes no action and gets no results. Scratch riding and rights from the list.

 

Racing: The AMA has abandoned New England. Once the sponsor of the oldest motorcycle road race in the nation, the AMA has allowed the Loudon Classic to fall from its calendar. I have investigated the various issues, which mostly revolve around track safety, and have concluded that, once again, the AMA could have done more, and should not have stopped until they succeeded in making it work for all parties. Now, the entire northeast has no AMA Superbike race, in spite of having had the oldest in the country. Once again, no action and no results from the AMA. Scratch racing from the list, without even considering the damage done in the Edmonston fiasco of mismanagement .

 

Oh, I almost forgot. You did manage to accomplish one thing: you got yourself a huge new headquarters building with money that should have been used to further the interests of the members. Congratulations. Please feel free to contact me should you ever decide to become anything more than a dues collecting project. Until such time, please do not send me any further correspondence.

 

Sincerely,

 

Emoto

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Racing: The AMA has abandoned New England. Once the sponsor of the oldest motorcycle road race in the nation, the AMA has allowed the Loudon Classic to fall from its calendar. I have investigated the various issues, which mostly revolve around track safety, and have concluded that, once again, the AMA could have done more, and should not have stopped until they succeeded in making it work for all parties. Now, the entire northeast has no AMA Superbike race, in spite of having had the oldest in the country. Once again, no action and no results from the AMA. Scratch racing from the list, without even considering the damage done in the Edmonston fiasco of mismanagement.

 

+1 on that.

 

American roadracing's best years were when Roger Edmondson was running the combined AMA/CCS series. I let my membership lapse after they screwed him and didn't re-up until Ed Youngblood resigned from the AMA.

 

I recently read that AMA is again trying to promote the AMA Superbike series in house, taking over from ISC. This time, I can understand their motivation because the series has really turned to crap in recent years. But I don't have any faith in their ability to run a series. The AMA's role in roadracing should be as a sanctioning body only.

 

Dave

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I disagree with several of the AMA's policy points. I also disagree with the way they have handled a number of controversial issues over the years. And their stand on noise is way late and very, very weak. If it had so much as legs, it would be a eunuch.

 

However, the AMA gets involved in a lot of political issues. And in many cases politics is not pretty. It's dirty. It's convoluted. It's dishonest. And frankly it's a lot of things I don't have the stomach for. In these situations, I'm glad I have the AMA doing what it can for me as a motorcyclist.

 

Can they do it better? Yes. Does it appear to me as though they're trying to do it better? Hard to say because I really don't know how ugly/frustrating it can be down in the political trenches. But for a small amount of money, I believe I'm contributing to my own betterment through the dedication and sometimes less-than-perfect results of a group of people who have a pretty thankless job.

 

That gets my respect.

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harleyjohn45
The AMA opposes helmet laws. While the AMA says they "don't oppose" helmet laws for minors, they don't "promote" them, obviously because that would be hypocritical. Helmet laws that apply only to minors are very difficult to enforce, although they're better than no law.

 

Yes, if you type "safety" into the search field you'll get hits, but that's not what I said. What I said is that the word safety does not appear anywhere on their home page, either in text or as a topic in general which tells me a lot about the AMA priorities.

 

It's the AMA's and members' right to oppose helmet laws and that's fine. I disagree strongly and will never join the AMA.

 

I am right there with ya. What I want to know is why everyone stops the discussion at helmets? IMO, not only should helmets be required for EVERYONE EVERYWHERE, so should some degree of protection for all exposed skin. I am talking gloves, shirts, pants. To me, the rider wearing a helmet and a T-shirt is as big of an idiot as the rider with no helmet at all. For those of you who are about to shoot me, go get in your car, drive 20mph, open your door, and drag your hand on the road for 20 or 30 yards. Then tell me which part of your body you are willing to expose that to!

 

Now don't get me wrong, I am not actually calling people idiots and trying to be mean or anything like that, I am just on a rant here! So my point is, when will they or anyone address safety beyond helmets? Can we at least have our motorcycle cops promote safety with what they wear??

 

i'm sure glad you don't write laws in this country. just my opinion.

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harleyjohn45
I'm right there with you, too. Why stop at jackets and gloves? Let's put a steel shell around you and 7 airbags. Might as well add a few more wheels so you don't fall over when you hit something or somebody. Geez. If you thing helmets are a good idea, wear one. If you think gloves are a good idea, wear them. But get off your high horse and stop vilifying those who have different priorities/risk assessment than you do.

 

you seem to have left out nut protectors, just in case you get hit in the privates. lol

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am right there with ya. What I want to know is why everyone stops the discussion at helmets? IMO, not only should helmets be required for EVERYONE EVERYWHERE, so should some degree of protection for all exposed skin. I am talking gloves, shirts, pants. To me, the rider wearing a helmet and a T-shirt is as big of an idiot as the rider with no helmet at all. For those of you who are about to shoot me, go get in your car, drive 20mph, open your door, and drag your hand on the road for 20 or 30 yards. Then tell me which part of your body you are willing to expose that to!

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Yeah, thats what we need is more laws to take away more of our choices...If you choose to wear "Proper Protective Gear" that is fine and your choice, but why make it law for everyone to look like you. Makes me sick, all the do-gooders trying to protect other people. If I fall off my bike or choose to drag my hand on the pavement, its my hand hand or my butt, what ever the case.

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I'm right there with you, too. Why stop at jackets and gloves? Let's put a steel shell around you and 7 airbags. Might as well add a few more wheels so you don't fall over when you hit something or somebody. Geez. If you thing helmets are a good idea, wear one. If you think gloves are a good idea, wear them. But get off your high horse and stop vilifying those who have different priorities/risk assessment than you do.

 

you seem to have left out nut protectors, just in case you get hit in the privates. lol

 

I hear Denver will be requiring your nut protector to be stamped, so the LEOs can verify you're wearing an approved one.

 

Dave

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I'm right there with you, too. Why stop at jackets and gloves? Let's put a steel shell around you and 7 airbags. Might as well add a few more wheels so

Dave

 

you don't fall over when you hit something or somebody. Geez. If you thing helmets are a good idea, wear one. If you think gloves are a good idea, wear them. But get off your high horse and stop vilifying those who have different priorities/risk assessment than you do.

 

you seem to have left out nut protectors, just in case you get hit in the privates. lol

 

I hear Denver will be requiring your nut protector to be stamped, so the LEOs can verify you're wearing an approved one.

 

 

IIRC They stamp it while you are wearing it to make sure it works. grin.gif

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I passed on re-upping my AMA membership. As stated the mag has gone downhill. Nothing but ads. I think the MOA mag has diminished in quality as well.

 

 

I agree on both counts (and did not renew my AMA membership last time).

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Makes me sick, all the do-gooders trying to protect other people. If I fall off my bike or choose to drag my hand on the pavement, its my hand hand or my butt, what ever the case.

 

That's why my insurance goes up because of that stupid mentality.

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That's why my insurance goes up because of that stupid mentality.

Sounds like you need to find another insurer.

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That's why my insurance goes up because of that stupid mentality.

 

 

Well, you may be correct sir. We are in the same camp as far as the importance of wearing protective equipment while riding a motorcycle. While I don’t wear the bmw uniform, but I do wear a helmet and what I deem to be adequate protection gear. I just don’t need some government bureaucracy dictating what I must ware. We have already been through that, remember the helmet law. As far as rising insurance rates, there are many factors involved, and may I suggest that if more motorcyclist obeyed the current traffic laws, ie speed, there may be less m/c accidents which may have a factor in insurance rates.

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