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Trying to track down some Honda Moly 60 for my splines...

 

No dealers in the area have any on the shelf. The auto parts counters at the Honda dealers don't stock the Moly 60. They do have a M 77 assembly paste. It's a high moly content paste (that I assume is 77% moly). Curious if I can substitute for Moly 60....

 

Here's what I've found so far on references:

 

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Molykote M77 Paste .

silicone-based moly paste.

Suitable for lubrication points with low to moderate loads and low speeds which are subjected to water and extreme temperatures.

At temperatures above 230'C, the carrier volatilizes leaving virtually no residue, and the remaining dry sliding film itself takes over the lubrication up to +450'C.

Suitable for lubricating parts consisting of materials that are not resistant to mineral oils.

This product is used successfully on metal/metal combinations with frictional and contact surfaces, brake anchor plates and the brake pistons of disc brakes.

Appearance: Black

Service Temperature ('C, as a paste): -45 to +230

Ultimate Temperature (solid lubricant portion): 450

Load Carrying Capacity (4 ball weld load, N): 2000

Unworked Penetration (mm/10): 280-330

and:

 

Molykote M77 .

Silicone based MoS2paste.

 

Dow Corning 77 Part Assembly Paste lubricates surfaces subject to extreme pressures and wide temperature ranges.

It is used to prevent galling during running-in, extend the wear life of moving parts and help protect against fretting and cold welding of moving joints.

 

*Dow Corning 77 Part Assembly Paste is typically used as:

- A running-in lubricant for new or rebuilt equipment gears, splines, journal bearings, cams and ways

- An assembly lubricant to reduce torque in tightening threads and bolts, minimize tension variation from bolt to bolt, and ease disassembly and reduce the chance of damage

- A press-fitting lubricant to allow press fitting without chatter or stick-slip (reduces the force required for interference fitting and minimizes distortion)

- A general-purpose lubricant for bearing shafts, bushings, splines, O-rings, packings and seals (except silicone rubber)

 

also:

 

MolyKote Brake Lubricant

Code: 08798-9010

Price: $13.20

 

Specially designed and formulated by American Honda for lubricating brake components, slide pins, etc. Prevents seizure and corrosion. Contains MoS2, resistant from -50F to 450F. 2.65 oz tube.

 

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Anyone know whether this would be a suitable substitute for Moly 60?

 

Thanks for any advice..

 

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Pass on that one but Motobins sell part number 95815 OPTIMOL T WHITE PASTE CLUTCH/GEARBOX/DRIVESHAFT SPLINES 100grm, which is the Castrol branded moly paste BMW specify. They mail order to the states in a few days.

 

Andy

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has anyone ever tried using BMW's spline lubricant?

part # 99 99 0 000 601

 

Sure. BMW did. That's why we're tearing our bikes apart.

 

Hold out for the Moly 60, it's worth the wait.

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Silicone is a lousy lubricant. Its main claim to fame is that it repells water well, but that is not an issue here.

 

If you want to substitute Honda's Moly 60, with something from Dow Corning, then use their "Dow Corning Gn Assembly Paste".

 

This is a standard Dow Corning product that has been shown to work well as a spline lube. It has a similarly high MoS2 content as the Honda stuff, in a proper grease (non-silicone) base. It also is a little more viscous than the Honda grease, which helps to keep it in place.

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has anyone ever tried using BMW's spline lubricant?

part # 99 99 0 000 601

 

Sure. BMW did. That's why we're tearing our bikes apart.

 

Hold out for the Moly 60, it's worth the wait.

What Scott said.
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has anyone ever tried using BMW's spline lubricant?

part # 99 99 0 000 601

 

Sure. BMW did. That's why we're tearing our bikes apart.

 

Hold out for the Moly 60, it's worth the wait.

that's a good enough reason to not use it.......is the Moly 60 stuff available at the local Honda dealer usually?

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Kurt Snyder

Check out Dupont Krytox XHT-BDX. It is a sticky high temp lube that will stay on the splines. The specs looked fantastic when I checked before buying. I don't remember where I bought it but I e-mailed the company (Aerospace supplier) for a recommendation on the spline application. The engineering dept said to use XHT-BDX. It was pricey---$44 for two ounces but it doesn't take much.

 

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Kurt

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has anyone ever tried using BMW's spline lubricant?

part # 99 99 0 000 601

 

Sure. BMW did. That's why we're tearing our bikes apart.

 

Hold out for the Moly 60, it's worth the wait.

that's a good enough reason to not use it.......is the Moly 60 stuff available at the local Honda dealer usually?

 

Yes and no. My Honda shop was out, so the wrench sold me one of his spare tubes.

 

If you get hard up I'll put some on a teaspoon and you can pick it up from me in Sac. That's about all you need for this job - one tube'll last you a long, long time.

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I found Moly 60 at my that my Lawn Mower Shop (Gardenland in San Jose CA)they sells Honda Equipment mowers an generator the store has an Accesory Catalog from Honda, They looked up Molly 60 and found it and ordered it for me took about 3 days to get. Small cartridge under $20. Way simpler than driving from looking for that special grease.

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Thanks you guys!

 

I knew the collective would have the advice I needed!

 

That helped a lot and I'll either order it online tomorrow or dial a few more places (Honda lawnmower reair too!).

 

THANKS!

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has anyone ever tried using BMW's spline lubricant?

part # 99 99 0 000 601

 

Sure. BMW did. That's why we're tearing our bikes apart.

 

Hold out for the Moly 60, it's worth the wait.

What Scott said.

 

Yes and I have tube of it I'll be happy to send it to you FOC.

 

For spline grease go here...these folks are moly lube specialists and know motorcycle applications.

 

http://www.guarddogmoly.com/gd570.shtml

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Kurt,

I've used Krytox alot, mostly on large idustrial equipment and on my input splines. It is very good stuff. I have never seen it fail to perfoorm as adverdtised.

I did my splines with it about 2 yrs ago and have no need to go in there since, I would bet that they look just like they did when I lubed them .

Mike Canant

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Hold out for the Moly 60, it's worth the wait.

that's a good enough reason to not use it.......is the Moly 60 stuff available at the local Honda dealer usually?

Yes. It may not be in stock, but like any other part, it is available in a few days.

 

But there is nothing magic about the Honda stuff. ANY lube that contains 60% or more moly is as good as any other. It is the MoS2 (Molybdenum Disulphide) that matters here; the grease content is simply a vehicle to get the moly solid lubricant in there.

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Kurt,

I've used Krytox alot, mostly on large idustrial equipment and on my input splines. It is very good stuff.

If it does not contain something like 60% MoS2, then it doesn't matter how "good" it is supposed to be, it is the wrrong stuff. Check the Moly content!

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has anyone ever tried using BMW's spline lubricant?

part # 99 99 0 000 601

 

I tried it to fix sticky downshifts at 38K.

 

I then used Krytox to fix sticky downsifts at 56K. (18K eek.gif)

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Slartidbartfast

Honda Moly-60 paste can be found at Honda car dealers as well as bike dealers - Although if they don't have it in stock, you have to ask what they are using on Hondas!!! (A mechanic told me they use whatever cheap moly grease comes from their normal lubricants supplier - probably a MUCH lower moly content - most contain less than 20% and some less than 5%)

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kingpinofdisks

Even though I am not due for the spline stuff for a bit (28K miles now, figure 50K miles or next year basically), I just ordered a tube online. Figure it will be nice to drop the bike off at the dealer, say "New Clutch, bearing, and grease it with this ONLY please", rather than have them use the BMW crap.

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