2024 Rt discounts

[trout man]

I am getting very close to picking up a 2024 new Rt and trading in my 2016 Rt.  I did test ride a 2024 Rt at Max's and loved it plus do like buying from Craig. I know that there is a rate of 2.9% on these bikes but was hoping to capitalize on the possible 1,500.00 rebate on the 2024 RT's. Is there any pattern to these rebates. Hate to hold out too long as  I have cut back on my riding to save on miles as I want to keep the miles around 40,000.00.

 

Very disappointed with the lack of interest on Craig's list and Facebook Marketplace as I now have the bike which is excellent condition and offering it at a gift price. I literally have had not one legit inquiry about the bike.  Is this a major down time for the BMW's or bikes in general. 

 

Thanks Bohemian Bob.

[TEWKS]

I think it depends on how quickly they move inventory.  If $1500 and 2.9% moves them out of the showroom quickly, they may slash the discount. The flip side is if $1500 ain’t enough to motivate buyers, they’ll up it to $2500!  $1250.00 on the 2024 GSA right now. It’s good but when the bike is priced at close to $28K it’s not a huge incentive IMO.

 

RT TRADE IN values are very disappointing.

[9Mary7]

The m/c market is quite depressed.......

Just like the rest of the economy.

[Skywagon]

37 minutes ago, TEWKS said:

when the bike is priced at close to $28K it’s not a huge incentive IMO.

 

That ^^^^^  $28k for a GS is shocking......MC's and Auto's are insanely priced right now.  My vehicle is a 2017.  I have the priviledge of getting employee pricing with GM, even though never a GM employee...long story.

 

My vehicle will turn 90,000 in a couple of more months.  That is my personal marker for a new one.  My 2017, with employee discount cost $62.  I priced an exact version 2024 today...thinking it's almost time for 2025 release and prices might be better.  $92,000....wow...That is a 50% increase.  My 90,000 mile marker may move further north.

[9Mary7]

10 hours ago, Skywagon said:

My 90,000 mile marker may move further north.

I"m sure that moving it up to around 150 wouldn't hurt a bit........

[TEWKS]

11 hours ago, 9Mary7 said:

The m/c market is quite depressed.......

Just like the rest of the economy.

I was quite depressed when I heard my RT trade value. 

 

 

 

[Rougarou]

 

 

1 hour ago, TEWKS said:

I was quite depressed when I heard my RT trade value. 

 

Ummmm, I'll trade RTs with you then you can tell me 'bout values.

 

The dealership said because of the mileage that they'd not sell it and they'd use it for parts.  I'm not about dismantling a perfectly running machine just cause it's got a couple of miles on it.  Of course, they coulda just been being nice about it cause it's got a couple of minor scratches.

[TEWKS]

1 minute ago, Rougarou said:

Ummmm, I'll trade RTs with you then you can tell me 'bout values.

I don’t want to pay 32 grand with trade for that 27.5K GSA! 
 

 Yep, your bike owes you nothing so no sense in trying to sell or trade. (Not that you are) just saying. 

[roadscholar]

BMW is moving into the 'exclusive' territory along with Porsche/Corvette and new loaded Chevy/Ford pickups, Navigators and Escalades, among others. They know there's a big enough segment of buyers that will pay whatever for their product and are willing to sacrifice volume for big profit margins on fewer units. If you want a bargain BMW just wait a year or two and get a low mi used one, they depreciate pretty quickly.

[AviP]

2 hours ago, roadscholar said:

If you want a bargain BMW just wait a year or two and get a low mi used one, they depreciate pretty quickly.

+1. Get the leased ones. The drivers are usually quite cautious with their maintenance and care.

[9Mary7]

Looked at the plain white R1300GS today, looks much better in person than in pictures......but most basic one they had was over $25k.

[JCtx]

You can always make an offer, and you might get a call. I remember when I made an offer for my fully optioned 2-yr-old 2020 R1250R HP (with 0 miles, and unserviced), when dealer was still asking for MSRP. I offered a very reasonable $16K (MSRP of $19,040.00) , and they refused. A month later, they left me a message I could have it for $16K that day. I was on a conference call, so didn't answer. When I hung up 1/2-hr later, I had a 2nd message, lowering the price to $14,149.00. I obviously jumped on it immediately. But I was baffled why they wouldn't wait for a response even for an hour, since I agreed to buy it at $16K. The lesson here is sometimes, for unknown reasons, dealers need to unload a bike all of a sudden, and if you already put your name out there, you might benefit from that. I could probably sell it for that now. Good luck.

[fourteenfour]

 

On 8/27/2024 at 10:35 PM, Skywagon said:

 

That ^^^^^  $28k for a GS is shocking......MC's and Auto's are insanely priced right now.  My vehicle is a 2017.  I have the priviledge of getting employee pricing with GM, even though never a GM employee...long story.

 

My vehicle will turn 90,000 in a couple of more months.  That is my personal marker for a new one.  My 2017, with employee discount cost $62.  I priced an exact version 2024 today...thinking it's almost time for 2025 release and prices might be better.  $92,000....wow...That is a 50% increase.  My 90,000 mile marker may move further north.

 

BMW pricing went up far too quickly especially given since most of the time the configuration always includes the larger option package.

 

When I looked at RTs recently I was shocked to see the average price at $29k.  I suspect their tech heavy focus, namely that automatic cruise control, has ballooned their costs. It is an interesting technology but I never want to be that disconnected from riding as ACC would present - meaning I never want the bike to have to act on the fact I am getting too close to the vehicle in front of me. If I don't notice that I should not be one the bike nor anyone else in that position.

 

My new 2024 Road Glide actually is cheaper than the equivalent 2023 model would have been by a significant margin and for all intents is very much superior across the board as well. Harley's skyline OS is well beyond the capability of that bastardized Bosch system BMW rebranded under their own name. Harley still maintains full Apple Carplay integration and I trust Apple to get their software to work over BMW or Bosch. 

 

I am still very interested in the 2025 RT as one reason I stopped riding a RT is that I cannot flat foot both feet down easily and weakness in my left knee hence I really want to see how the lowering suspension works.

 

 

 

[DBULL]

12 hours ago, JCtx said:

You can always make an offer, and you might get a call. I remember when I made an offer for my fully optioned 2-yr-old 2020 R1250R HP (with 0 miles, and unserviced), when dealer was still asking for MSRP. I offered a very reasonable $16K (MSRP of $19,040.00) , and they refused. A month later, they left me a message I could have it for $16K that day. I was on a conference call, so didn't answer. When I hung up 1/2-hr later, I had a 2nd message, lowering the price to $14,149.00. I obviously jumped on it immediately. But I was baffled why they wouldn't wait for a response even for an hour, since I agreed to buy it at $16K. The lesson here is sometimes, for unknown reasons, dealers need to unload a bike all of a sudden, and if you already put your name out there, you might benefit from that. I could probably sell it for that now. Good luck.

That is how I bought a car about 20 years ago.  Wandered onto a Ford lot and saw a nice, clean Acura Legend with low miles listed for 13,100.  It had been on the lot for 73 days.  I drove it, loved it and made an offer of $9000 (and wrote a check to them on the spot).  The salesman came back from his 'interview' with his superior and said they couldn't  do that.  I thanked them and left the check and said if they changed their minds, I'd come back for the car.   In the days before cell phones,  I drove home to a message on my answering machine that if I came to $9100, I could have the car.  I wasn't trying to steal anything, but wanted a nice car and knew they didn't want it on their lot any longer.  Led to a long affair with Acura cars.  

[MachineJoe]

52 minutes ago, DBULL said:

Led to a long affair with Acura cars

^^^^^^^^^^^   I loved my 2005 Acura RL then sold it in 2015 at 100k miles and to this day, miss that car.

[Bluenoser]

22 hours ago, roadscholar said:

BMW is moving into the 'exclusive' territory along with Porsche/Corvette and new loaded Chevy/Ford pickups, Navigators and Escalades, among others. They know there's a big enough segment of buyers that will pay whatever for their product and are willing to sacrifice volume for big profit margins on fewer units. If you want a bargain BMW just wait a year or two and get a low mi used one, they depreciate pretty quickly.

I went in to GP Bikes in Whitby ON yesterday to pick up a few orings and gaskets. They have more brands of bikes than I've ever seen in one location. Couldn't find the BMWs, had to ask where they were.  Oh, they're up on the 2nd floor says the salesman.  They're up there with the MV Agusta.

[roadscholar]

1 hour ago, Bluenoser said:

I went in to GP Bikes in Whitby ON yesterday to pick up a few orings and gaskets. They have more brands of bikes than I've ever seen in one location. Couldn't find the BMWs, had to ask where they were.  Oh, they're up on the 2nd floor says the salesman.  They're up there with the MV Agusta.

 

That used to be a lot more common 30-40 years ago in a multi-line dealership with Japanese brands when BMW was fledgling but guess it still applies in some large markets. BMW corporate doesn't like it, they want stand alone stores but also realize most owners won't risk that. The preferred pairings are with other Euro brands, Ducati, Triumph, etc. because Japanese bikes outsell it 10-1 so BMW gets relegated to the 2nd or 3rd floor back in the corner somewhere : )

[Dennis Andress]

20 hours ago, JCtx said:

You can always make an offer, and you might get a call. I remember when I made an offer for my fully optioned 2-yr-old 2020 R1250R HP (with 0 miles, and unserviced), when dealer was still asking for MSRP. I offered a very reasonable $16K (MSRP of $19,040.00) , and they refused. A month later, they left me a message I could have it for $16K that day. I was on a conference call, so didn't answer. When I hung up 1/2-hr later, I had a 2nd message, lowering the price to $14,149.00. I obviously jumped on it immediately. But I was baffled why they wouldn't wait for a response even for an hour, since I agreed to buy it at $16K. The lesson here is sometimes, for unknown reasons, dealers need to unload a bike all of a sudden, and if you already put your name out there, you might benefit from that. I could probably sell it for that now. Good luck.

Many years ago, about the time the last recession got nasty, Laney and I bought two new K1300Ss, for like 14k each. About a year later the general manager told me they’d owed BMW a bunch of money, and had run out of time. 

[John Ranalletta]

22 hours ago, JCtx said:

You can always make an offer, and you might get a call. I remember when I made an offer for my fully optioned 2-yr-old 2020 R1250R HP (with 0 miles, and unserviced), when dealer was still asking for MSRP. I offered a very reasonable $16K (MSRP of $19,040.00) , and they refused. A month later, they left me a message I could have it for $16K that day. I was on a conference call, so didn't answer. When I hung up 1/2-hr later, I had a 2nd message, lowering the price to $14,149.00. I obviously jumped on it immediately. But I was baffled why they wouldn't wait for a response even for an hour, since I agreed to buy it at $16K. The lesson here is sometimes, for unknown reasons, dealers need to unload a bike all of a sudden, and if you already put your name out there, you might benefit from that. I could probably sell it for that now. Good luck.

There's a lesson here, one I learned some years back.

 

I had a collection of stuff to sell and created an account on a forum specializing in the stuff.  I listed the collection with pictures and an excel list of purchase price ($25k), condition, etc.  I then created a gmail account forwarded to my normal email address to receive offers; however, I had a misspelling in the forwarding widget.  This was on a Friday.  Postings done and email changed, I awaited offers but none came.  On Saturday, I knew there was a problem as the stuff I was selling were "hot" items and buyers would try to cherry pick the collection.

 

On Saturday, I found & corrected the forwarding error and emails flooded in as I expected.  Most wanted this item or that item, but the sale was for the entire package, no exceptions.  There were 3 emails from a prospective buyer in Cleveland.  His first email read, "I'll give you $20k cash."  His 2nd email about an hour later read, "Ok.  How about $22.5k?"  His 3rd email about an hour later read, "Ok.  You win.  I'll take the collection and pay $25k.  Please confirm ASAP."

 

Lesson:  The guy was bidding against himself.  My unintentional non response to the first two bids he interpreted as bargaining.  When selling or buying something, you don't have to counteroffer.  Silence is a counteroffer.  I did this again when we sold our house.  We got a low offer with 5 days to respond.  The Realtor freaked as I let the 5 days elapse without a peep.  Another, acceptable offer followed.

 

YMMV

[MachineJoe]

Good lessons to learn from. I had a similar situation just this week  

[RTinNC]

It's the end of year so as other have noted BMW will discount based on demand.  If demand is high there may be little rebate deals and if they have a lot of 2024's they will offer better rebates.  I have always bought at end of year and especially when the new model has a change.  I bought my '18 GS when the '19 upped to 1250cc.  It was the last 2018 and I bought it in April of 2019 and got a killer deal but there is a risk to doing that as the bike may be gone.   At this age of my life I try and get the best deal I can but buy what I want.  If you really want the bike they have in stock and the deal is "fair" then I say go for it.  Sure you may be able to save another $500 or $1000 but on a $28K bike is that really worth the risk of not getting the bike you want?   That is the question you need to ask yourself.  Also,  I hear there will not be a 2025 RT but the next RT will be 2026 released mid-year 2025.   So you may want to factor that into your decision. 

 

Regarding selling your used bike sometimes you need to be patient and may need to lower the price.  It sounds like you have it priced pretty low but if you really want to move it lowering the price may be the only way.  I will be in the same boat soon considering selling my '16 RT with 60K.  The bike is pretty much flawless but it is still a '16 with 60K.  That's why I always say buy what YOU like and enjoy it.  If the bike does not sell you just keep enjoying it.

 

Good luck. 

[trout man]

Thanks for all the feedback guys, very helpful.  Really enjoy doing business with Craig at Max's NY. Have purchased my last Rt from him and he has the best sense of humor. Ben the owner is OK also. Anyways I am down for riding my bike up to Max's next week for the transfer.  Being an avid fly fisherman I intend to hit the Manchester area for the Battenkill and brookie streams. Will be pounding the miles as I want to come back to Max's on the way back to do the first service.  Getting excited for sure. Love those Rt's. This will be my third Rt hopefully. 

 

I have always had a hard time understanding why the sports touring bikes are not popular. In the past I have owned the Concours, and St's and from what dealers tell me this style of bike is a real stinker.  Perplexing.  Would not want any other style. 

 

Thanks Bohemian Bob

[JCtx]

My take is it's debatable if the RT is still a sport-touring bike. It certainly was at some point. I owned a 2014, and sold it because it was HUGE. And the new one is a behemoth. Add a trunk (like many here do), and it's basically the size of the giant K1600GTL. Yes, it's agile for its size, but if it's still a 'sport-tourer', it's certainly at the very limit of the category. Having said that, I can't find specific sales numbers for the RT, but I thought it was a very popular motorcycle. I know the GS leads the BMW sales chart, but my guess is the RT is 2nd place. You want an unpopular motorcycle? That'd be mine (R). Ha ha. I bet it's the worst seller in BMW's lineup, but it's an absolutely fantastic bike, so I'm not offended by that in the least. Ha ha. In fact, I'm very happy about that, or no way I'd have been able to buy it $5,500 below MSRP with 0 miles.

[RTinNC]

2 hours ago, JCtx said:

My take is it's debatable if the RT is still a sport-touring bike. It certainly was at some point. I owned a 2014, and sold it because it was HUGE. And the new one is a behemoth…..      

Hmmm….. “huge”??  Behemoth??    Well if you consider the Honda ST,  Yamaha FJ and Kawasaki Concours “sport touring”  the RT is significantly lighter than all of them,  and not just a little lighter a lot lighter. 

RT - 604 pounds

ST 1300 650 pounds

Yamaha FJR  644 pounds

Kawasaki K1400 - 690 pounds

K1600gt  - 736 pounds

 

( data from motorcycle.com)

 

sure seems to fit the bill to me. 
These bikes may lean more towards “touring” but they all seem sport touring to me but that’s just my perspective. 

[MikeB60]

2 hours ago, JCtx said:

Add a trunk (like many here do), and it's basically the size of the giant K1600GTL.

I have a 2021 RT and a K1600GT the RT is not even close to the size  of the K bike. 

[JCtx]

Guess everything keeps getting bigger and bigger. I used to own an FJR and Concours 1400 too, and the new RT feels much bigger to me. But you have a point about the weight though. Something like my ex-K1300S is what I consider a sport tourer. Or an R1100RT too. I also consider my R a sport-tourer, due to its weight and size (BMW says it's a sport naked). But feels much nimbler than the RT, probably due to having forks vs tele-lever. Anyway, sorry for insulting your bike, guys.

[RTinNC]

4 hours ago, JCtx said:

Guess everything keeps getting bigger and bigger. I used to own an FJR and Concours 1400 too, and the new RT feels much bigger to me. But you have a point about the weight though. Something like my ex-K1300S is what I consider a sport tourer. Or an R1100RT too. I also consider my R a sport-tourer, due to its weight and size (BMW says it's a sport naked). But feels much nimbler than the RT, probably due to having forks vs tele-lever. Anyway, sorry for insulting your bike, guys.

The “sport touring” category seems to be changing and getting a bit broader.  To me bikes like the XR are sport tourers leaning toward sport.  And I honestly think the new 1300GS looks and fits into the sport tourer category with all the creative comforts and sleeker body styling. 

Yeah …. I’ve owned a R1100RT and a R 1200RT hexhead and while my 2016 R1200RT wethead is heavier if feels much lighter and way more nimble.

[Rob Nowell]

On 8/29/2024 at 5:21 AM, fourteenfour said:

I cannot flat foot both feet down easily and weakness in my left knee hence I really want to see how the lowering suspension works.

that would be great, yes!

[Ponch]

On 8/27/2024 at 6:54 PM, TEWKS said:

It’s good but when the bike is priced at close to $28K it’s not a huge incentive IMO.

 

 

 

And that's it. The cost of the RT has gone up a little more than 50% in price when I bought mine in 2010. My salary hasn't.  I can't justify it. 

[RTinNC]

22 minutes ago, Ponch said:

 

And that's it. The cost of the RT has gone up a little more than 50% in price when I bought mine in 2010. My salary hasn't.  I can't justify it. 

That's the case with a lot of products.  I wonder if you did an analysis of the cost today in 2010 dollars what the number would be?   On a relative basis I don't think motorcycles have increased an inordinate amount. 

[RTinNC]

Interesting .... the sticker price of my 2016 RT was $22,090 and in today's dollars that would be $28,949 !! 

 

So as I suspected the current price of a 2024 RT is right in line. 

 

Of course I did not pay anywhere close to that price as I bought it as a leftover in October 2016.