Redman Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 (edited) 09 RT in for 6k service, and they said the throttle body cable sprocket broke during the service work. Said is not common but does happen. siad good news is that they have a rebuild kit in stock, and have an opening later in day in schedule that can replace it. Bad news is that is $175 and 3 hours shop time. I have no familiarity with this, they quickly showed me the rebuild kit. I asked for parts. part number 12557 r12rt throttle body kit Edited April 26, 2022 by Redman Part number Link to comment
Redman Posted April 26, 2022 Author Share Posted April 26, 2022 Ah, I see, looks like the black plastic part (sprocket?) is formed around that shaft flange. anyway, wonder what anybody can say about this. Link to comment
Redman Posted April 26, 2022 Author Share Posted April 26, 2022 Anybody have need of any of these parts? Link to comment
Redman Posted April 26, 2022 Author Share Posted April 26, 2022 So 6k service + replace final drive outer seal + replace throttle body cable kit = $1300 Link to comment
LBump Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 For your reading pleasure How to Install though you don't need it now... Link to comment
Redman Posted April 27, 2022 Author Share Posted April 27, 2022 58 minutes ago, LBump said: For your reading pleasure How to Install though you don't need it now... Ah…. Thanks. Oh, maybe if I knew what to call it, I could have done a search and found that. okay, my ignorance. is something that maybe is common knowledge for others. seems that part is a common problem…. For that plastic part to crack anyway. Wonder if can be cracked and still last quite a long time that way. 1 Link to comment
KDeline Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 Every bike I own had broken cams, with parts and labor I'm out more than 2 (Yes TWO) grand. Every bike built with this plastic system will have this problem. Ticking time bomb that will strand you. Thanks BMW. 2 Link to comment
LBump Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Redman said: Ah…. Thanks. Oh, maybe if I knew what to call it, I could have done a search and found that. okay, my ignorance. is something that maybe is common knowledge for others. seems that part is a common problem…. For that plastic part to crack anyway. Wonder if can be cracked and still last quite a long time that way. 2 hours ago, KDeline said: Every bike I own had broken cams, with parts and labor I'm out more than 2 (Yes TWO) grand. Every bike built with this plastic system will have this problem. Ticking time bomb that will strand you. Thanks BMW. The BMW Moto way is... we are Beta Testers! Link to comment
dirtrider Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 11 hours ago, Redman said: Wonder if can be cracked and still last quite a long time that way. Morning Redman Can it last a long time with a cam crack?-- Sure but they typically don't. Those darn things have a habit of breaking when you least expect it. Like in the L/H lane of a 4 lane highway at night with 90mph traffic coming up behind you. Or when you are 500 miles from the closest BMW dealer on a Sunday, or when you go to pull out into oncoming traffic & a cam breaks so the bike just quits pulling. Some will go for a while with cracks & others will completely crumble at the worst time. (are you feeling lucky?) You do have other options as you can install them yourself) see my linked post above. Or remove the throttle bodies yourself then send them to BING USA for new plastic cams, or new cam/shaft, replacement (I'm not sure on the price but probably a LOT cheaper than your dealer will do it). It will probably run OK when they come back but to do it totally correctly you probably should put a GS-911 on it to check, then do an above-idle TB balance adjustment using a manometer (not difficult). Call BING USA for labor costs, here is a link to the parts____ https://www.bingcarburetor.com/throttlebodies.html Link to comment
Redman Posted April 27, 2022 Author Share Posted April 27, 2022 Thanks. Yep, $46 for both cams, instead of $175 for entire kit that includes shafts and seals and 3 hours shop time to replace all. (Hopefully the kit is redesigned to not have this problem repeat.) (but then again, did last 12 years and 60+k miles.) Link to comment
Redman Posted April 27, 2022 Author Share Posted April 27, 2022 2 hours ago, dirtrider said: Can it last a long time with a cam crack?-- .….. Some will go for a while with cracks & others will completely crumble at the worst time. (are you feeling lucky?) ….. Thanks. I was wondering if most are cracked yet are fairly functional, …… but dealer can fill opening in schedule. am glad it was taken care of, and not fail later. But yet annoyed with the expense. yah, it does seem like catastrophic failures occure in unfortunate situations, like, oh, just to imagine random situations (with 02 RT) : - fourth of five lane I-5 in sandiego, 70mph, heavy traffic, with wife on back (2015) - cross county trip, 500 miles from home, 40 miles outside of St. Louis (2019) Link to comment
dirtrider Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 33 minutes ago, Redman said: Thanks. Yep, $46 for both cams, instead of $175 for entire kit that includes shafts and seals and 3 hours shop time to replace all. (Hopefully the kit is redesigned to not have this problem repeat.) (but then again, did last 12 years and 60+k miles.) Morning Redman Actually, unless things have changed, the parts are the exact same as original (AFAICT), at least as of last December, as that is the last set I have installed in a 1200 hexhead). Make sure that you file a complaint with NHTSA, if all these failures finally take root with NHTSA it might force a recall, if that happens then then you will probably get reimbursed for the money spent replacing them. 1 Link to comment
Bigfish Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 You should definitely do both sides. 99% probability the other Cam is cracked. I choose to put Beemer Bit upgraded Aluminum ones on my bike. No way was I going to put on a part that I know will fail. Good luck. 1 Link to comment
Scott9999 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 On 4/27/2022 at 4:07 AM, dirtrider said: Morning Redman Can it last a long time with a cam crack?-- Sure but they typically don't. Those darn things have a habit of breaking when you least expect it. Like in the L/H lane of a 4 lane highway at night with 90mph traffic coming up behind you. Or when you are 500 miles from the closest BMW dealer on a Sunday, or when you go to pull out into oncoming traffic & a cam breaks so the bike just quits pulling. Some will go for a while with cracks & others will completely crumble at the worst time. (are you feeling lucky?) You do have other options as you can install them yourself) see my linked post above. Or remove the throttle bodies yourself then send them to BING USA for new plastic cams, or new cam/shaft, replacement (I'm not sure on the price but probably a LOT cheaper than your dealer will do it). It will probably run OK when they come back but to do it totally correctly you probably should put a GS-911 on it to check, then do an above-idle TB balance adjustment using a manometer (not difficult). Call BING USA for labor costs, here is a link to the parts____ https://www.bingcarburetor.com/throttlebodies.html Just curious (and not wanting to look this up right now), and to add additional *** PANIC!!! *** to my day. 🙄😁 Do the RTW's have this same system? If so, definitely going to stash away that bing link. Thanks. Link to comment
dirtrider Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, Scott9999 said: Just curious (and not wanting to look this up right now), and to add additional *** PANIC!!! *** to my day. 🙄😁 Do the RTW's have this same system? If so, definitely going to stash away that bing link. Thanks. Evening Scott When BMW went to the fly-by-wire (electronic throttle) the problem seems to be gone. But knowing BMW they probably just replaced that expensive problem with a new (yet to be determined) just as expensive & difficult to repair problem. 1 Link to comment
Scott9999 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 6 hours ago, dirtrider said: Evening Scott When BMW went to the fly-by-wire (electronic throttle) the problem seems to be gone. But knowing BMW they probably just replaced that expensive problem with a new (yet to be determined) just as expensive & difficult to repair problem. Lol, I knew that. That's why I sold off my Twinmax. I just forgot. I'm old like that. I just couldn't connect the obvious dots. Link to comment
The Rocketman Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 On 4/26/2022 at 6:26 PM, Redman said: Said is not common but does happen. BULL SH*T. They all know about it, and deny, deny, deny. Call the NHTSA like we all did and register a complaint. Link to comment
Redman Posted May 4, 2022 Author Share Posted May 4, 2022 On 5/2/2022 at 3:19 PM, Ponch said: I was an early adopter in 2015. . . . . . . adopter .... ? Link to comment
Ponch Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 On 5/3/2022 at 7:27 PM, Redman said: . . . . . . adopter .... ? It happened to me before most other folks and there were no parts to be had from Bing or the guy in Tucson. BMW basically said, pay to have it fixed and send us the receipt and we'll review it if we'll help out or not. I bought a used set of throttle bodies off Ebay from a salvage bike. It really pissed me off. Still does. Link to comment
Redman Posted May 10, 2022 Author Share Posted May 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Ponch said: It happened to me before most other folks and there were no parts to be had from Bing or the guy in Tucson. BMW basically said, pay to have it fixed and send us the receipt and we'll review it if we'll help out or not. I bought a used set of throttle bodies off Ebay from a salvage bike. It really pissed me off. Still does. . Thanks. Seems to be a somewhat common problem. Link to comment
Ponch Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/9/2022 at 5:32 PM, Redman said: Thanks. Seems to be a somewhat common problem. I think the Arizona heat just accelerated it. For 8 months before they failed, I rode every workday to work on the bike and that's through the whole summer. It's funny, they'll put out a 12 year warranty extension on the fuel strip but they won't fix this. Link to comment
Hank in WV Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 They also didn't fix my fuel pump. Link to comment
Ponch Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Has anyone heard anything more from the NHTSA? I recall some of you getting phone calls from them. Link to comment
The Rocketman Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Nope. They called me once and I never heard back. Link to comment
KDeline Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, 9Mary7 said: Me neither..... Same thing. Link to comment
Ponch Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Just wondering. I had an experience after commenting about the problem on BMW Motorcycle's FB page and they contacted me. After telling of my situation and even links to posts here, the short of it is, we're sorry you had problems with you BMW in the past. I'll share your concerns with management. I guess that pretty much spells it out. 1 Link to comment
Ponch Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 On 4/26/2022 at 5:20 PM, KDeline said: Every bike I own had broken cams, with parts and labor I'm out more than 2 (Yes TWO) grand. Every bike built with this plastic system will have this problem. Ticking time bomb that will strand you. Thanks BMW. 2 Link to comment
The Rocketman Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Wow! Amazing video...thank you for saying what many of us feel. Only recall you forgot was the cracked rear wheel flange. Another BMW work of engineering genius...... The only good things that came out of this throttle cable cam crap for me are: Knowing I'm not alone (I guess misery loves company). If not for this Forum I never would have even looked at mine and might have had a catastrophic failure. If not for learning about this, I never would have hiked my ass to Rhode Island, met Boxflyer who replaced mine, and got me a great new friend. 5 Link to comment
Ponch Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 17 hours ago, The Rocketman said: Wow! Amazing video...thank you for saying what many of us feel. Only recall you forgot was the cracked rear wheel flange. Another BMW work of engineering genius...... The only good things that came out of this throttle cable cam crap for me are: Knowing I'm not alone (I guess misery loves company). If not for this Forum I never would have even looked at mine and might have had a catastrophic failure. If not for learning about this, I never would have hiked my ass to Rhode Island, met Boxflyer who replaced mine, and got me a great new friend. Thank you and you're welcome. I forgot about the flange. They replaced mine, but it wasn't cracked. I am sure it could have been or was a disaster for some. Link to comment
dirtrider Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Ponch said: Thank you and you're welcome. I forgot about the flange. They replaced mine, but it wasn't cracked. I am sure it could have been or was a disaster for some. Afternoon Ponch There was also the late 2006 to 2009 brake line recall as well as the 2008 +/- (specific serial number ranges) EWS antenna ring recall. 1 Link to comment
KDeline Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 19 minutes ago, dirtrider said: Afternoon Ponch There was also the late 2006 to 2009 brake line recall as well as the 2008 +/- (specific serial number ranges) EWS antenna ring recall. Yeah, I’m the guy that actually had three failures, two of them caught me with my pants down, third one I carried a spare with me. 1 Link to comment
Ponch Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 On 6/29/2022 at 1:35 PM, dirtrider said: Afternoon Ponch There was also the late 2006 to 2009 brake line recall as well as the 2008 +/- (specific serial number ranges) EWS antenna ring recall. Yeah, the brake line recall was done on mine at the 600 mile service I think. I wasn't trying to be complete in my complaints, but to illustrate that problems do exist, at times in absurd ways. I think the cracked throttle body pulleys are more of a risk than the fuel strips, but BMW feels differently. Probably comes down to cost, time since they were produced and the perception of how many people have the problem. The fact that they would produce this problem and then let customers pay for it themselves says a lot. It's kind of Wiesel-ly. 1 Link to comment
Mark C Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Happens all the time. I have used injector bodies for $50. Mark Link to comment
large-stache Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 I replaced mine on my used 2009 after reading about the failures. I was getting ready for a 5 day trip, when I pulled of the throttle bodies, both sides had cracks, and it didn't take much force to break them all the way off. I replaced with aluminum parts from beemerbits. Yes they are pricey, but I was able to do the repair myself at home. Link to comment
Redman Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 On 8/9/2022 at 6:47 PM, large-stache said: I replaced mine on my used 2009 after reading about the failures. I was getting ready for a 5 day trip, when I pulled of the throttle bodies, both sides had cracks, and it didn't take much force to break them all the way off. I replaced with aluminum parts from beemerbits. Yes they are pricey, but I was able to do the repair myself at home. Good. Beemer Bits, you say. Link to comment
Redman Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share Posted October 3, 2023 A friend of mine is looking at a 09 RT, so I told him about this situation. I suppose all he can do is ask the seller........... Link to comment
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